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    @ OP

    You're assuming that being under these conditions never leads to adaptation. It is rare that someone who was constantly fighting for their lives and struggling to find food, water, or shelter would have time or room to feel much happiness beyond the occasional small victory.

    It is also highly unlikely someone will STAY in that level of intense living without adapting in some way to make it more satisfying. Whether it is carving out a nest of leaves to make as a bed, learning where to go to find food and water quickly, storing some on hand, or creating some type of defense from the external world, animals. People adapt, and in doing so find relief, and happiness.

    I'd say it is very much a natural biological drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    your X is an N. INTJs live for mental challenges and become board and apathetic if their large mental appetites aren't satisfied
    Um, he could be a smart ISTJ. I've known several smart ISTJs. Many of them are things like doctors, lawyers, and engineers. Did you miss the part where he said "alert to his surroundings"? Doing puzzles doesn't imply INTJ over ISTJ at all.

    @OP: happiness is natural. So is contentment, suffering, and sadness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    your X is an N. INTJs live for mental challenges and become board and apathetic if their large mental appetites aren't satisfied
    Very good to know! I do have some serious ISTJ tendencies as well, I leave it an x because I always test one or the other or 50/50 but the expression of the type in daily living is very situationally dependent. The ITJ is very constant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Um, he could be a smart ISTJ. I've known several smart ISTJs. Many of them are things like doctors, lawyers, and engineers. Did you miss the part where he said "alert to his surroundings"? Doing puzzles doesn't imply INTJ over ISTJ at all.

    @OP: happiness is natural. So is contentment, suffering, and sadness.
    Hello again Marmie Dearest. I am in fact a medical student. My alertness stems from innate hyper-vigilance reinforced by military training. I must be watchful because I know most people are not. When bad things happen to good people they happen fast. No point in me being unable to protect those less likely to protect themselves. Puzzles, however, enthrall me and that is one of the primary reasons I am a student of human behavior/personality. It is a fluid and dynamic puzzle within which typology systems erect a latticework of systemic deduction. The best part is being able to read between the lines and fill in the gaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    Hello again Marmie Dearest. I am in fact a non-traditional 2nd year osteopathic medical student. My alertness stems from innate hyper-vigilance reinforced by military training. I must be watchful because I know most people are not. When bad things happen to good people they happen fast. No point in me being unable to protect those less likely to protect themselves. Puzzles, however, enthrall me and that is one of the primary reasons I am a student of human behavior/personality. It is a fluid and dynamic puzzle within which typology systems erect a latticework of systemic deduction. The best part is being able to read between the lines and fill in the gaps.


    I think it's too soon to rule out either ISTJ or INTJ. Did you get a chance to take the PTypes temperament quiz, or read the Keirsey temperaments, or the Jungian Ni and Si descriptions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I am happy because I am safe, have a roof over my head, am not in any serious pain and don't have to fight for my survival. how can someone who lives in the wilderness, is unsafe nearly 24 hours a day and has to deal with hunger and pain be happy? is it possible to be happy without enough money to have safety, enough food/water and some level of comfort?
    I'm confused.....is this considered a "natural" state?
    It seems to me it is natural for people to stabilize their environment so they can more easily fulfill basic needs & then focus on higher needs, slowly moving up that "hierarchy of needs" towards happiness. Yes, I'm referring to Maslow's Pyramid, as a general guide for what people generally need to cultivate happiness.

    I don't think happiness is emotion. Happy people still have bad days, bad moods, negative emotions, etc. A lot of people confuse having fun & feeling pleasant with happiness, but I think these are experiences & moods. I think happiness is an overall feeling - and yes I mean a feeling-valuation, not a mood - of contentment from being fulfilled beyond basic survival. However, even if someone finds basic needs a struggle, they may be fulfilling higher needs, like love, self-respect, and progress in their personal achievement. So such a person may feel a measure of happiness, enough to call themselves happy.

    I think in cultures where we live in relative luxury, we may make things into basic needs that are not basic needs but material luxuries, and it prevents us from achieving higher needs because we're distracted in pursuing these material things. A simpler life may allow a person to focus on those higher needs more.

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    @ OP

    You're assuming that being under these conditions never leads to adaptation. It is rare that someone who was constantly fighting for their lives and struggling to find food, water, or shelter would have time or room to feel much happiness beyond the occasional small victory.

    It is also highly unlikely someone will STAY in that level of intense living without adapting in some way to make it more satisfying. Whether it is carving out a nest of leaves to make as a bed, learning where to go to find food and water quickly, storing some on hand, or creating some type of defense from the external world, animals. People adapt, and in doing so find relief, and happiness.

    I'd say it is very much a natural biological drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post


    I think it's too soon to rule out either ISTJ or INTJ. Did you get a chance to take the PTypes temperament quiz, or read the Keirsey temperaments, or the Jungian Ni and Si descriptions?
    I don't want to commandeer OP's thread but yes I am working through the article, I want to take time to digest and ponder. I took the PTypes quiz and got:
    Temperament Score
    Idealist 7
    Rationalist 14
    Traditionalist 6
    Hedonist 3
    Your temperament type is Rationalist.

    Difficult wording on some of the questions because I would answer them differently based on the situation/audience.

    you could help me with this if you like... Page 31 post #302 http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=315&p=1675658
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    An interviewer once asked Tennessee Williams: “What is your definition of happiness?”

    He replied, “Insensitivity, I guess.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    An interviewer once asked Tennessee Williams: “What is your definition of happiness?”

    He replied, “Insensitivity, I guess.”
    Great quote. If that held true I would be very happy in social situations and miserable around my children, thankfully it is quite the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Um, he could be a smart ISTJ. I've known several smart ISTJs. Many of them are things like doctors, lawyers, and engineers. Did you miss the part where he said "alert to his surroundings"? Doing puzzles doesn't imply INTJ over ISTJ at all.

    @OP: happiness is natural. So is contentment, suffering, and sadness.
    this isn't about being smart, I know several smart ISTJs as well. this is about needing to solve complex mental puzzles and getting board and lethargic without large amounts of mentally stimulating challenges. this is INTJ, not ISTJ.
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