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    So you're saying that don't want to post here simply because they are criticizing beliefs you hold? Don't you think that's a little extreme to disregard the site in its entirety because you feel your beliefs are being unjustly criticized?
    They are not just my beliefs buddy. I work in conservative politics at a 501(c)(4) called The American Action Network (its part think tank, part issue advocacy group). This is what I do for a living. To come on a site I frequent and constantly see threads like this filled parroted talking points from the talking heads sucks.

    I come here to let my hair down and chill. That's kind of hard to do, when what you do and work for is picked apart and described in the most heinous of terms at every turn.

    I have no problem with fair and honest debate, but all the accusations here go one way, and focus on only the most extreme of conservative politicians (of whom none hold major office). It's tiring and disappointing, especially from a site that is usually so intellectually rigorous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    They are not just my beliefs buddy. I work in conservative politics at a 501(c)(4) called The American Action Network (its part think tank, part issue advocacy group). This is what I do for a living. To come on a site I frequent and constantly see threads like this filled parroted talking points from the talking heads sucks.

    I come here to let my hair down and chill. That's kind of hard to do, when what you do and work for is picked apart and described in the most heinous of terms at every turn.

    I have no problem with fair and honest debate, but all the accusations here go one way, and focus on only the most extreme of conservative politicians (of whom none hold major office). It's tiring and disappointing, especially from a site that is usually so intellectually rigorous.
    I sympathize with how you feel about this issue, but I fail to understand why you feel like you shouldn't post here anymore. And I don't see how having a job in that field makes it any different. Whatever floats your boat, man, but I encourage you to stay for non-political reasons (though perhaps we can have civil debate, even though I am much less knowledgeable of politics and have much less life experience than you lol).

    Also, I'm curious, why are you a conservative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I come here to let my hair down and chill. That's kind of hard to do, when what you do and work for is picked apart and described in the most heinous of terms at every turn.
    If you come here to chill out, I recommend staying away from the political threads...or anything terribly serious that involves current events or people's religious beliefs.

    but all the accusations here go one way.
    No, this is not true at all. There are plenty of conservatives in this site, though they frequently take the form of anarcho-capitalist or some other right wing libertarians, and they're just as full of ire for what they don't like as anyone else.

    I'd also like to throw in here that I actually made a thoughtful post in this thread about how I can see the point of view of libertarians and Republicans and how they may view themselves as doing the most ethical thing, disputing the OP.

    I also am likely to complain about extreme ridiculous liberals as I am about extreme ridiculous conservatives.

    However, I think The Man is dangerous, and he just as easily takes the form of a free market capitalist as he does a government official, and I'm not about to withhold that opinion for you or anyone else, as I consider it a serious cause that involves the lives of many very real people.

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    why are you a conservative?
    Why is the sky blue?

    I just am. Economic and individual freedom make sense to me. My father is owns (what some would call) a small business.

    Socially I couldn't give a fuck (as long as it doesn't cost the tax payer money).

    The beating heart of this country's strength is it's financial system (as the crisis has shown us). Politically, we need to create an environment for that system, and our economy to thrive if we are to continue to enjoy our quality of life.

    P.S. outside of our discussion on IQ re: political belief, I wasn't really talking about you marm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Why is the sky blue?

    I just am. Economic and individual freedom make sense to me. My father is owns (what some would call) a small business.

    Socially I couldn't give a fuck (as long as it doesn't cost the tax payer money).

    The beating heart of this country's strength is it's financial system (as the crisis has shown us). Politically, we need to create an environment for that system, and our economy to thrive if we are to continue to enjoy our quality of life.

    P.S. outside of our discussion on IQ re: political belief, I wasn't really talking about you marm.
    I very much believe in individual freedom, too, but in order for there to be individual freedom, everyone must be seen as socially equal. Conservatism is, in its very nature, unequal in that people in the higher class are simply seen as better than the commoners. It's not nearly direct in today's world, but that's the principle that conservatism stands on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    I very much believe in individual freedom, too, but in order for there to be individual freedom, everyone must be seen as socially equal. Conservatism is, in its very nature, unequal in that people in the higher class are simply seen as better than the commoners. It's not nearly direct in today's world, but that's the principle that conservatism stands on.
    Are there ever conditions which would warrant inequality in your eyes? Is a child equal to a serial killer? Should they be treated the same? What about someone with Down's Syndrome and a Doctor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    I very much believe in individual freedom, too, but in order for there to be individual freedom, everyone must be seen as socially equal. Conservatism is, in its very nature, unequal in that people in the higher class are simply seen as better than the commoners. It's not nearly direct in today's world, but that's the principle that conservatism stands on.
    Yes it is. It also perpetuates a lie that everyone will be financially well off if they work hard...and there is some truth to that, but really some of the hardest jobs are actually very low paid, and even a middle class person can lose their job, their savings, be diagnosed with cancer, their business can fail...no social safety net at all is really absurd, in my opinion. It also means that the children of the wealthy and middle class are automatically favored because they can afford more extensive education, et al. I was very fortunate that though my family was working class, my grandfather made enough money and took enough interest in learning to put me in music and dance classes, and to educate me and buy me tons of books outside of school.

    I'm a pretty moderate liberal, too, at least in the sense that I do believe in personal responsibility and I don't think pacifism is very smart, and yes I can see the benefit of regular people keeping *some* guns (though not as many as they have now). I even applaud Bill Clinton for reforming the welfare system.

    I am no hardcore pinko, but I could even be identified to some extent as an Eco Socialist, apparently, which is not quite the same as being a socialist in the terms that most people think of. I tend to like the governments in places like Northern Europe, and Norway stands out to me as one that is particularly awesome.

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    everyone must be seen as socially equal. Conservatism is, in its very nature, unequal in that people in the higher class are simply seen as better than the commoners. It's not nearly direct in today's world, but that's the principle that conservatism stands on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Are there ever conditions which would warrant inequality in your eyes? Is a child equal to a serial killer? Should they be treated the same? What about someone with Down's Syndrome and a Doctor?
    That's a faulty analogy. In the first case, the serial killer has forfeited his rights by denying them to someone else, so he's at the mercy of the law system. In the second example, you're dealing with comparing a highly functioning individual with someone mentally handicapped. The two aren't equal in ability, but they both deserve the same rights because they are both human beings, and all humans have a right to basic human dignity, regardless of mental ability or the position they come from in society. However, if they violate the social contract, as the serial killer has done, he will have to forfeit a certain degree of his rights.

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