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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I thought that there was no life beyond the USA!
    Yea ! The american people are most definitly the center of the universe. I once knew an exchange student who told me that his foster parent asked him if people in Europe already were so technologically advanced and have fridges. Of course said the exchange student, totally baffled by the question. Then the foster parent asked if we'ld still live on trees and the student had enough and said, yea we live in trees. That led to the foster parent asking: how then do you get the fridges on the trees ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    if you recall, Fascists were for societal reformation, and no one would call them liberal.
    Fascists are not conservatives.

    They vaguely seek to create a greater degree of egalitarianism, while also maintaining personal liberty.

    Contradiction. If you force people to be equal, you supress their personal liberty. And economic liberties are indiviual liberties, if you want to promote individual liberties, you must promote the economics ones.

    For the "IQ" thing, i will say the same thing I said on the thread:

    Well, I think the point is that an high IQ make you more prone to questions traditionals view of life, and also more to think about society in a "progressive" way, and to be more innovative to challenge weakness of societies and to encourage reform built with reflection. At the same time, I observed that liberals are not the only group who have higher IQ than the average, it is even higher in libertarian circles where the average IQ is around 135. Globally, it seem that people with high IQ are mostly liberals and that conservatives and libertarians are minority. That does'nt mean that liberal are smarter, the meaning is: an high IQ make you easily prone to ask question, but less easily to answer with accuracy. That's all.

    Low/average IQ: conservative.

    Average/higer IQ than the average: liberal, because you quetion traditions and etablished structure, are more prone to reform, but fail at understanding the world in all its complexity.

    Even higher IQ: libertarian, or cultured, intelectual conservative, because you can ask questions and answer to this with accuracy. There's also the case of the hardcore marxist, or the classic ultraconstructivist socialist who believes he can reorganise the world entirely to make it just and perfect because of his intlectual abilities.
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    Über-human: socialist

    no wait that was a different ideology
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Fascists are not conservatives.
    How are they not? They are radical, revolutionary conservatives.

    Contradiction. If you force people to be equal, you supress their personal liberty. And economic liberties are indiviual liberties, if you want to promote individual liberties, you must promote the economics ones.
    No, capitalism denies economic liberty to the largest segment of the population. If someone is starving or impoverished, they are a slave to their poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    How are they not? They are radical, revolutionary conservatives.
    there are several liberal fascists factions. Che Guevara being a perfect example


    No, capitalism denies economic liberty to the largest segment of the population. If someone is starving or impoverished, they are a slave to their poverty.
    no it doesn't. they have the opportunity in a capitalist society to move from any social class to another. liberty =/= entitlement to a good lifestyle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    there are several liberal fascists factions. Che Guevara being a perfect example
    Communism =/= Fascism

    no it doesn't. they have the opportunity in a capitalist society to move from any social class to another. liberty =/= entitlement to a good lifestyle
    As Marm and others have said, the myth of upward mobility is untrue, especially in American society. It happens, but not very often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Communism =/= Fascism
    yes it does. a communist society has a dictator who controls and distributes resources.

    As Marm and others have said, the myth of upward mobility is untrue, especially in American society. It happens, but not very often.
    it doesn't happen very often because most people are not ambitious. most people just want to fit in, be accepted and follow a path already beaten out for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    How are they not? They are radical, revolutionary conservatives.
    "revolutionary" and "conservative". Contradiction. Fascists are actually very progessive and want to reform society deeply, it's even more true for Nazis. And the both movements are of a socialist origin.



    No, capitalism denies economic liberty to the largest segment of the population. If someone is starving or impoverished, they are a slave to their poverty.
    If they are starving of impoverished, trhey are responsible of themselves. Not slaves. Poverty is not more enslavement than illness or old age. You are not a slave as long as you are free to try anything you want to solve your problem, no matter if your trials are successful of you actually have opportunities. The fact, though, is that laissez-faire capitalism multiply the opportunities to improve your wealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    yes it does. a communist society has a dictator who controls and distributes resources.
    Plus, the fascist economy was very dirigist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    "revolutionary" and "conservative". Contradiction. Fascists are actually very progessive and want to reform society deeply, it's even more true for Nazis. And the both movements are of a socialist origin.
    Hahahahahaha, he said "progressive" AND "reform" omg hahahahahaha. That made my day

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