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    Quote Originally Posted by Architectonic View Post
    I don't get it. Depressed people are bored?
    No, no no!!! You DEFINITELY don't get it!

    The point is that depressed people want to float around in the sky and jump on leaves to be happy. Since this is virtually impossible, they are prone to depression. They are also prone to walk in areas with a lot of quicksand, which can be a total bummer.

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    Part I.
    “Let’s say I am on the path of healing, hope, respect, truth, knowledge, wisdom, and love! I've had many a pitfall. I've had my dark days. There are days I question everything. But I have my beliefs.

    I grew up in an extremely dysfunctional household. I did not want to repeat the pattern. I've learned this truth, even with best in intentionality: we are subject to behaviorisms we have absorbed during childhood. We can go against what we learned: but then there is overcompensation in another direction which is not balanced.

    I must confess i have no high self-esteem, it apparently was not nurtured or i grew up in the environment that was non-supportive of a self-concept, loving, unconditional love-that's to say; love without needing to prove a person's right to attain love or self-esteem.

    I believe I did not receive love as a child. I carry that burden. I do not wish it perpetrated on succeeding generations. Such is my dream and hope. I will fight for it. Equal justice is a necessity for children to realize his or her dreams to better the planet on which we live on.

    If one is lucky, enough to be born in a happy family this more readily is accomplished. If one however grows up in a dysfunctional family where perhaps, and I say perhaps love, nurture, nor empathy were taught, received or modeled then the child has a lifetime of pain. This is not so readily forgiven.

    Nonetheless, there is an ego nestled. It is growing. It is such my way in life. Keep trying; please the battle of life is not lost. Not until our last dying breathe. There can always loom chances on.

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    Part II.
    Are our present day "triggered" emotions created now or are they a recycling and rehashing of emotions which were experienced in childhood and not properly processed and therefore healed? I believe that if we were raised as children and our emotional conflicts as children were "processed" properly, then we would be almost super human compared to the norm today.

    We don't give credit or credence to a child's remarkable ability to process and properly digest negative emotions IF, if it is explained to them at the moment and properly processed. We have not learned this as a society. Moreover, not enough time is even to the developing child. Therefore, we have a society as we have it today.

    It is a crux of the matter. A dysfunctional family dynamic presents yet another generation of disabled people. People shall try to break chains, but we soak the mal-knowledge into us.

    Wouldn't it be great that as children we were allowed to develop our gifts? Wouldn't it be great if we were tested as children to discover our natural gifts? Wouldn't it be great for parents to allow children to come into their own and not try to change or control the child's natural river bed of growth & development?

    To many tines parents seek to change, control, or alter a child's natural development. This upsets "flow". This upsets balance. This upsets the natural order of things. This is why I am for parental training as well as child development courses to be implemented. Parents can "warp" their children so easily out of profound ignorance

    Parents today are overwhelmed with having children. Subconsciously children will pick up on the distorted actions and behaviors of their parenting. This is why as adults we do many of the behaviors of our parents, almost against our wills. We mimicked what we saw.

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    Part III.
    Even if they want to be good, and rectify the mistakes of their upbringing, they still will be subconsciously affected. Thank god. There is something called resiliency. It says one out of three will survive and overcome a dysfunctional household.

    I believe all have gifts. If they are allowed to become in essence and manifest in our lives, we will be happy, content, have good self-esteem and understand our place in our universe. Parents do not understand this entirely.

    They project their expectations, which is unfair. We are as a seedling and if allowed coming into our own being shall grow straight as well strong to our sun such as a mighty, mighty tree.

    But parents, media, society give too many messages of what we are supposed to be doing that it is hard to find our own essence. If we do find this magnificent part in ourselves we shall indeed be very happy. We must use our gift, live it, and breathe and come to the being we were meant to become.

    Also forgiveness is very hard. I will say I’ve learned proper boundaries with father. I shall set him straight if he chooses to be domineering. I do communicate with dad, but it isn't pleasant for me. See, my emotions are such as anxiety and he complains, it is toxic to my being. But i do have an intelligent, cordial, polite relationship with my father.

    Call it as a virus. We try to counteract and work with, around or perhaps escape into delusionary escapisms filled of illusion. The way of breaking a cycle is (=teaching the classes i have presented: cognitive discipline, emotional intelligence, as well needed very much communication.

    I’ve been forced to go into deep, deep contemplation in order to battle my mood. I am not a blamer. I don't blame life or people. I take responsibility for myself and my emotional statehood. I also have deep empathy, well for all people.

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    Part IV.
    There are many lows. They are as if Dante's Inferno and his called levels of hell. One can conceivably sink. Then to their horror sink even further, ad infinite.

    I have a saying. Heaven and hell are before our eyes. Which do we choose to see? It is not entirely correct. However it does show an orientation in life. One could also say we are trapped in the realty in which we happen to be in, whether it is a heaven or a hell.

    I know some believe in hard determinism, and that we make the lives we live in. I also say we each are in our own purgatories. It does not matter where our start point is but where we are going and that is to the mountain top of self-actualization.

    Forgiveness, I believe is to be some aspect in healing. For the more i understand myself, reveal of myself, am open, honest and compassionate the more forgiving i can become.”

    Words as well negative energy influence in our young upbringing, may have an effect for an entire lifetime. Some people don't understand. This is not being negative in any way, it is just a learned truism I’ve seen of myself, siblings, and seeing clients with a whole host of mental illness, criminality, as well all manner of substance abuse as well alcohol problems.

    It is said that we have free will, i say its balance. Half is us and all the choices we make. Another half is genetics as well interplay of our upbringing in the formative years. It’s really like a spiritual cancer. I have another theory. This is saying pain we feel today, is a manifestation of the unresolved pain that was manifest during childhood.

    It is as if we suffer from some ghostly manifest pain that never healed, much like a broken bone that was never set properly. In a most ideal of circumstances, one child would have 24 hour nurturance.

    All of this will limit crime, substance abuse, misery, all needless suffering and mental illness. The long range way of doing all this reactive upbringing of the children is societal hare Kari. In spite of all this; move forward, always with the Star of Destiny in your Path to lead you on your way, to what you are capable of.

    Every day we wake refreshed and in a sense we are a brand new totally new person with fresh dreams, fresh vigor & fresh hope. Sleep is like the mini-death. We awaken with fresh insights on how to deal with our daily problems as well fresh visions on how to attain our dreams, which are extremely important.

    Without dreams what is the point of living? We need a future, a new vista and horizon to propel ourselves onward into the mysterious future. Sometimes frightening, mysterious, and captivating all rolled up into one.

    Too many times we may ignore the inner universe, searching for peace, as well happiness when these lay within us. If one are miserable inside, then all the money, & riches, all the members of the opposite sex (or whichever sex one is attracted to, fame, material possessions, food, and travel will not soothe the soul, most certainly not for long. It is a search for inner peace that is a mantra of an INF/ENF. This inner universe is so crucial.

    This is why one needs to develop self-esteem and a healthy self-concept to truly know and acknowledge the beauty of the world. For an ISP/ESP, it may be different. This is why for greatest harmony to occur; both inner and outer realities need be balanced. Listen to this inner voice. I call it the universal consciousness. It is there. It can help one perceive and pursue activity where one can enter into a state of "Flow." This is to discover one's inner gift. What one was made to do and to become?

    I believe that there can be prevention and intervention in the school systems. Each year every child could get a caring, compassionate, and professional psychological evaluation! This way we could get a handle on verbal, physical, and sexual abuse. Children can be almost anything, if we but give them a chance.

    How can we be so short sighted about preventing abuse!? It goes on everywhere, now, and we are reactive, not proactive? I believe since we are interrelated beings that we affect each other and so need to learn how to interact more efficiently, effectively, and rationally. I do not know why the world is so messed up.

    I call upon some paradigm shift of how we choose raising our children. In this way, if a child cried or had a behavioral issue, it could be addressed by some trained professional. Whatever the issue would be could be clarified and utmost of reason used. This would be more valuable than the philosophy of "Spare the rod, and spoil the child." Now all of this takes time.

    Time parents don't have in this busy hectic world searching for the illusions of this world rather to focus on making a happy and well-adjusted society. Parents will lash out, for it is easier as well reactive, faster, untrained and ignorant rather than taking a proactive road which will yield greater returns in the long run.

    Absolute, and much needed skills of reasoning must need be taught. There is a need for critical thinking to be taught with a minimum of distortions of thought. Hence my penchant for an educational system being given far more priority as well learning and teaching in a new paradigm

    One must absolutely be able of a persuasion to think independently as well in a creative fashion. It's a problem. I possess an analogy, we have the seed within to fully evolve if not distorted and be unduly pressured in a way of thinking that is not natural for the individual.

    It is such a belief I do have that parents are custodians, not tyrants and impose their reality unto a child. Now an outside the box thinking thought I possess. We are like some computer software; we are only able to have a thinking capacity of the data entered into our self. We can't easily have a capacity to think outside our box, and then we'd be out our reality. This is conjecture from my own view as well standpoint.

    All of this will limit crime, substance abuse, misery, all needless suffering and mental illness. The long range way of doing all this reactive upbringing of the children is societal hare Kari. In spite of all this; move forward, always with the Star of Destiny in your Path to lead you on your way, to what you are capable of.I think it is that we are all blind or at the very least have limited perceptions of reality. Because of the above reasons we need prevention and intervention along with child parenting classes in childhood development.

    We also need to communicate in two fundamental areas: cognitive science, learning to speak, think, and write without distortions in reason & logic as well as emotional Intelligence.

    I try and endeavoring not to hurt people and not take out my frustrations out on other people. Yeah, we harm each other so much. It is deplorable. Hopefully one day in an enlightened society, we will realize the power of our words. We will realize we can affect each other for the good or the ill. Ignorant adults need not hurt each other and certainly not our dear children.

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    You're cutting and pasting this aren't you?

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    Part V.
    The way in my mind to greater happiness is to react with reason and compassion, to the best of our abilities, in any given situation. This is how we grow, evolve, self-actualize and become better people. We are then a light and a role model. We spread happiness, joy, calm, reason, kindness, and love to those around us. And as a result we also reap what we sow.

    Here is something else to ponder. In developing as a child one must learn to have an ego and develop a sense of self identity in addition to self-esteem in the world in which we live in. As an adult, on the path, or I should say a path, for there are many paths to the top of the mountain, we must learn to let go of our ego's and transcend both it as well as our fears.

    We must learn to let go of defensiveness and listen with an open heart, to be receptive, warm and open. We need to learn transparency and openness in order to heal.

    Call it Karma. The universe gives back. Also for every action, there is an equal reaction. I we react with negative, irrational, angry, & hateful energy, we will witness a backlash. We are all mini-gods. Will you be a small, baby god spreading goodness and so receive love?

    Will you be a destroyer, a cancer to others and thus yourself, caught in your own private hell? We have the power to make or break us. Will we be mini-gods of benevolence, peace & joy? Or will we react out of ignorance & fear instead? The choice is ours. What is in your heart? Choose your destiny wisely.

    We can determine our destinies based on our determination, will power, and fortitude as well an undying belief in ourselves. Nothing can stop us from marching forward into the future and meeting our destiny. The destiny of who we were destined to be and become.

    Each star in the heavens is as an enlightened one. One day your star or mine may be up there. I do not know if it will happen, nonetheless it is a refreshing thought that gives me hope and inspiration” LightSun

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    Depends how you define "understand". At one level, people who have never had it can understand, because the symptoms can be described well enough to imagine what it would be like. At a different level, even people who have had depression have not had your experience with it (in the context of your particular life history and situation), so they also don't understand.

    Why is it so important to be "understood" to some arbitrary degree when nobody will ever understand you completely, and many people will understand you partially to various degrees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Why is it so important to be "understood" to some arbitrary degree when nobody will ever understand you completely, and many people will understand you partially to various degrees?
    I'd say it's because people tend to trivialize things they don't "understand" or believe they have a solution because their experience with it is different. I've never had a migraine before, so I assume the pain is like a headache, but I've seen my friends really suffer from it and I don't go around telling them "Don't be a weakling, it's just a headache!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by William K View Post
    I'd say it's because people tend to trivialize things they don't "understand" or believe they have a solution because their experience with it is different. I've never had a migraine before, so I assume the pain is like a headache, but I've seen my friends really suffer from it and I don't go around telling them "Don't be a weakling, it's just a headache!"
    exactly. it's when they go stop being depressed, like the depressed person can snap out of it.
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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