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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post
    I'm reading Elfboy's list as an INFP list. Thus, "fuck other people at first" means "don't follow your instincts and do the people-pleasing or people-helping thing at first. Don't worry about other people. Fuck 'em--they can take care of themselves. Meantime, you do the same--take care of yourself first."

    And "use them to get a bunch of money" refers to skills. That was the actual subject of the previous item ( item 1).

    Like I say, I see Elfboy's post as an INFP list (i.e., created by an INFP for INFPs). The message is: Your people-pleasing instincts are misguided and will keep you from happiness. Get a thicker skin and chase the money, at least for a while. If you take care of yourself at first, then you'll be in a better position to take care of others later if that's still what you want.

    [Edit:] If they want to get ahead in the world, INFPs often need to constantly remind themselves not to fall into the people-pleasing trap. But if they vocalize that, it can sound to other types like they're embracing some kind of perverse "fuck everyone" mentality. But with INFPs, it's just a palliative--a reminder not to spend their own resources down to zero looking out for everyone else's needs. Hence a lot of emphasis in Elfboy's list on autonomy and "figuring out what you REALLY want to do", i.e., not just following the easy impulse to take care of others.
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    I think happiness isn't a place or space in time, but a state of mind. There are always desirable out there, but they are desirable because you have chosen to desire them. Of course, it's unrealistic to imagine that anyone can ground themselves in happiness no matter the circumstance, but if you were to place a good hundred people in a room and give them the same stimuli, some would respond positively and some negatively. You'll probably start to see patterns in what they like and dislike on a case-by-case basis. It's almost as if, before they ever entered the room, they decidedly listed off their pet peeves.

    Everyone has a stick up their ass somewhere.

    Ironically... I find it easiest to find happiness when I distract myself from being so self-conscious, or when I'm in a creative flux. In that moment, I have a god on my tongue and a clear head.

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    To be frank, I sincerely doubt that anyone can be consistently happy or even happy most of the time. Imagine the maximum level we can attain as a relative flat line of contentment with spikes of happiness and dips of unhappiness. With people who have more simple needs or are optimists, the spikes of happiness occur more often. A pessimist might live below the contentment level. Contrast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    To be frank, I sincerely doubt that anyone can be consistently happy or even happy most of the time. Imagine the maximum level we can attain as a relative flat line of contentment with spikes of happiness and dips of unhappiness. With people who have more simple needs or are optimists, the spikes of happiness occur more often. A pessimist might live below the contentment level. Contrast.
    Without sadness, happiness would be void of meaning. Without experiencing one, you would not know the other. Living life in a flatline of numbness lacks taste. It may be interesting and clear in some ways, but in others, horribly dull and faded. An ex-forum member comes to mind. The day's feeling was brought on by a cigarette and ended at the tip of the drag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I wasn't aware my speech needed so much decoding
    When someone says, “Fuck ‘em all!” it’s going to mean different things depending on the speaker’s personality type.

    INFP: “Fuck ‘em all!” = I have to start looking out for myself more.
    ESFP: “Fuck ‘em all!” = Where did I put my viagra and condoms...
    ENTJ: “Fuck ‘em all!” = Where did I put my gun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post
    When someone says, “Fuck ‘em all!” it’s going to mean different things depending on the speaker’s personality type.

    INFP: “Fuck ‘em all!” = I have to start looking out for myself more.
    ESFP: “Fuck ‘em all!” = Where did I put my viagra and condoms...
    ENTJ: “Fuck ‘em all!” = Where did I put my gun...
    I guess as an ENFP I'm stuck somewhere between the INFP and ENTJ response.

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    I have a bowl of spinach artichoke dip, fresh from the oven pita wedges, ENFJ man and The Big Lebowski. I'm happy.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Without sadness, happiness would be void of meaning. Without experiencing one, you would not know the other. Living life in a flatline of numbness lacks taste. It may be interesting and clear in some ways, but in others, horribly dull and faded. An ex-forum member comes to mind. The day's feeling was brought on by a cigarette and ended at the tip of the drag.
    Not numbness but contentment. The balanced feel where there's calm, low to no stress, that low level form of happiness.

    Regardless, good imagery on your part. The colour it evokes is monochromatic grey.

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    Do what you love and love what you do~
    Honestly, I'm not sure what could give us true happiness. Maybe if you're just appreciative and more optimistic you'll feel better with what you have.
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