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    Are Psychology and Sociology, the pseudo-sciences of human generalisations? If you take natural sciences, most often, results can be consistently duplicated. This doesn't hold true with psych or sociology. In natural sciences, correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation where much of psychological and sociological theory surrounds assumption of causation.

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    I have answered the question for myself as follows: so far causation works with newtonian physics, in quantum physics cause and effect seem to not apply anymore.

    What's right now, namely if causation does exist or does not we cant say for sure, therefore what seemingly seems safe, namely causation actually aint to sure and seems to be more of a human illusion aswell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Are Psychology and Sociology, the pseudo-sciences of human generalisations? If you take natural sciences, most often, results can be consistently duplicated. This doesn't hold true with psych or sociology. In natural sciences, correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation where much of psychological and sociological theory surrounds assumption of causation.

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    No, disagree.

    There are the same research norms in each discipline and in the natural sciences and social sciences too. If psychology and sociology are pseudo-science then economics is even less objective.

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    Well economics is prolly the least objective in my book. Yet since you call me having nothing more than college libertarism what do I know
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    Economics is the study of gross or net generalisations! And I say that affectionately.

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    ^I havent understood that, but I wanted to add that your question in the op is definitly an important one. I remember a time two years ago on this forum we had heated debates, recurring in different threads whether psychology or sociology deserve the label science at all. There were fierce defenders of both sides. I personally think that from an empirical standpoint there are things in psychology, sociology and natural sciences you can "prove". But those proves aint the end, its like the starting point to a greater insight about the topic that comes later. Newton made the law that an apple falls on the ground, cause and effect. Nowadays we have entagled quantums which can show in the nature an effect before the actual cause.

    I think there is still much to learn for us humans and tho maybe T - guys like to define a set of criteria or rules, I think no matter what you do it will be unsharp. personally wouldnt want to miss the finidngs of psychology and sociology yet I enjoy them with caution, I dont believe everything they tell me. The same I am doing tho with the latest findings in physics. Think if you generally keep that sceptical nature you may even grant the psychologists to call themselves scientists ffs, if they stay calm afterwards and just do their work
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    They aren't pseudo-science, they are social science. So, I disagree with you. Like Lark said, there are standards and normative structures followed, it's not like astrology.

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    I remember from back then in the years that Te people and Ti people had different understandings on this. Ti people often have the touchy attitude, means I can touch the stone the stone exists. If its tho a standard, nominative or gross or net stone, I personally never understood.
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    Economics is extrapolations, generalisation and theorising based on models developed from observations, at least that is what has been suggested but a lot of the books on economics which I have read, I'm not just talking about pop-economics either like freakonomics or anything like that, seem to be about confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance and supporting existing theories and models rather than testing or incorporating some sort of falsefiability in classic Popper/Einsteinian scientific terms.

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    Ya but economics is no natural law, it's an inventiuon of humans and could be replaced by lets say totalitarism. I always understood the question if psychology is a science in the way that it would still exist on Earth even if humans hadnt labeled it as such. Like the apple would fall on the ground, even if humans wouldnt exist
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