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    Social sciences like psychology and sociology may not be able to draw affirmative concluisons about causation, at least no more than the natural sciences, however accumulated correlation can permit informed decision making or speculations which can be very useful, at the very least it makes for interesting reading. Not that novels or literary sources dont have as much value sometimes.

    If you seriously question the objectivity and use of disciplines like sociology and psychology you then have to seriously question the sorts of pop sociology or folk psychology on which most people base their judgements and from which unconsciously social norms rise and fall. It makes the culture wars appear like a lot more than simply a contrivance of stuffy conservatives or alarmist politicians.

    I find it very interesting what is and isnt considered credible in the disciplines of sociology and psychology, what those accreditation and doubts say themselves. What is rubbished in straight macro or micro sociology will be considered valid once marketing or management professionals are able to use it to make money. I remember a great politics lecturer at one of the universities I attendend contrasting the content in economic texts about incentives and profit with what the top five management text books suggested about incentives, the whole comfy chair vs. bonuses discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ya but economics is no natural law, it's an inventiuon of humans and could be replaced by lets say totalitarism. I always understood the question if psychology is a science in the way that it would still exist on Earth even if humans hadnt labeled it as such. Like the apple would fall on the ground, even if humans wouldnt exist
    Yeah your knowledge is about that of a college libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah your knowledge is about that of a college libertarian.
    Ok, then you go on here and I go back to the things I am good at. Wouldnt understand you anyways I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ok, then you go on here and I go back to the things I am good at. Wouldnt understand you anyways I guess
    Are you drinking?

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    Wonderful italian red wine has a little sparkling effect on the tongue xD
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    Its effecting your typing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its effecting your typing too.
    And yours. Add an apostrophe on the rocks. 3 olives.

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    As with any other study, if its objectivity is questionable, then use its level of applicability in determining whether its a Science or not. If Sociology and Psychology have inductively proven themselves practical(which they have), then they are "Science."

    A totalitarian system has economics in the formed of a command-economy.

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    Could be seen as a fight of free thinkers and the royal science club. The royal science club says, you firstly have to prove that you are a Science in for example having something like a natural law. The free thinkers say, if you can use it, you dont have to prove it.

    I dunno, I think both opinions are stupid. The royal one isnt in the idea of what the word science means, namely to create knowledge thru research but the free thinkers one invites every idiot theory to be called science.

    I dunno, lemme drink about it
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    It may be a misnomer to call sociology and psychology sciences, and the differences is great enough that we all know the distinction between the meaning of "social science" and "natural science". Never the less, the fields do utilize scientific methods to an extent that they cannot be considered mere philosophy. While it may not have the precision of something like chemistry, these fields can also yield some surprisingly consistent results.

    I will also note that when it comes to psychology, some aspects such as neurobiology are involved and those are quite scientific.
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