So funny, cause I wrote in my last message that I was going to bow out of this conversation but erased it. You haven't had good experiences with your mental health care professionals and your treatment. I'm not trying to trivialize your experiences because I'm sure your experiences are those of many people. I think I represent the boogeyman to you right now. The only think that I said that comes close to absolute is that there exist behaviors that are maladaptive to one's well-being. I don't think that's an extreme comment to make and I'm not really going to change my mind about it not being true. Smoking is a maladaptive behavior, addictive drug use is a maladaptive behavior. There are coping mechanisms that are better than others. Someone may smoke because it relieves stress, but is there a better less dangerous way to relieve stress?
Don't respond to anything in my post except this:
How can you say that these things are not arbitrary? Without leaning on the public's opinion -- I can get heart's other article, proving that people like to be led by authority, whether the authority is correct or just spewing shit; ergo the public is not to be trusted just because they like it -- can you really say that these things are even close to absolute. Can you say they're anything better than negotiable, or really up for grabs at best?
When we move into mental health, I agreed with you this is way less clear cut than the measurable bad effects of smoking on someone's health, but that doesn't mean that an attempt shouldn't be made. I'm not even sure what is going on here anymore. If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying no behaviors should be labeled abnormal or stigmatized. I disagree. Let's leave it at that.
I did a partial explication on Levine's article but I haven't finished yet. I really don't feel like finishing it but here's what I've done so far.
1. Is the authority these people rebel against unjust and cruel? What is the basis for their rebellion? What is the intent and the authority figures? Because if it's rebellion just because it's day that ends in "day" then uhh...For a generation now, disruptive young Americans who rebel against authority figures have been increasingly diagnosed with mental illnesses and medicated with psychiatric (psychotropic) drugs...
An even more common reaction to oppressive authorities than overt defiance is some type of passive defiance.
2. What is disruptive behavior? Is it sitting quietly and refusing to do classroom assignments or is it actively disrupting the class and interfering with the teachers ability to teach and the students ability to learn?
Levine's beef seems to be with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. When I first saw that I thought to myself this is crazy. It's so vague that anyone that disagrees with another person can be accused (but not diagnosed) with it.
3. Are there other means of rebelling against the authority (if it is unjust and cruel) that aren't disruptive in the traditional sense that still gets the same message across?
It seems to me that Levine has taken the stance that authority=bad. He compares kids with ODD and ADHD in classrooms prisoners in concentration camps. Is this an apt comparison? His attitude seems quite antagonistic towards the educational system and the medical field.
Hell, when I'm having a good time and am in control I'm a great person to be around too. Maybe the some diagnoses of ADHD stem from the fact that some kids with ADHD don't know how to differentiate these times?Studies show that virtually all ADHD-diagnosed children will pay attention to activities that they enjoy or that they have chosen. In other words, when ADHD-labeled kids are having a good time and in control, the "disease" goes away.
This goes back to the sheep part. I wonder if anybody ever asks why sheep herd. Is there an advantage of herding or is it all mindlessness? I really wish Levine would say who these "authorities" are instead of letting people think of the worse doctor or teacher they've ever had and filling in the blanks. His writing is so open to interpretation that it just sounds like a invective rant.It is my experience that many mental health professionals are unaware of how extremely obedient they are to authorities. Acceptance into medical school and graduate school and achieving a Ph.D. or M.D. means jumping through many meaningless hoops, all of which require much behavioral, attentional and emotional compliance to authorities -- even disrespected ones. When compliant M.D.s and Ph.D.s begin seeing noncompliant patients, many of these doctors become anxious, sometimes even ashamed of their own excessive compliance, and this anxiety and shame can be fuel for diseasing normal human reactions.
He thinks that getting a professional degree or doctorate is nothing but an endless series of circus training. This is why I asked what is Levine's stake in this article, are his motives pure? He sounds like he's playing to people that have had bad experiences, who may be completely valid in their complaints and magnifying and extending it to all mental health care professionals which is UNTRUE.