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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles View Post
    As far as I know, people with bpd can have phases of narcissism as a way of fighting their insecurities. But unlike "real" narcissists, they don't have a high-self-esteem and can feel empathy; They just decided to suppress these feelings. Therefore, I don't think that full-time-narcissism is related to bpd, they can only appear indifferent to other's feelings etc. for some periods of time.
    okay. but that would just be narcissistic in terms of general speech, not narcissistic pd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles View Post
    As far as I know, people with bpd can have phases of narcissism as a way of fighting their insecurities. But unlike "real" narcissists, they don't have a high-self-esteem and can feel empathy; They just decided to suppress these feelings. Therefore, I don't think that full-time-narcissism is related to bpd, they can only appear indifferent to other's feelings etc. for some periods of time.
    Yeah, people with BPD can go through slightly scary phases but snap out of it and can still feel profound empathy. My ex has BPD.

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    Reading the seven myths about narcissism post makes me think there's likely to be more than one variety of narcissism.

    I've met more than one narcissist who really did fit the bill as the secretly a self-doubting, depressive machine.

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    I got a 5.

    Your score for Authority is LOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Reading the seven myths about narcissism post makes me think there's likely to be more than one variety of narcissism.

    I've met more than one narcissist who really did fit the bill as the secretly a self-doubting, depressive machine.
    yeah

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    If narcissism is defined by an inability to experience empathy, how does it differ, fundamentally, from sociopathy? I'm curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    I got a 5.

    Your score for Authority is LOW
    Your score for Self-sufficiency is LOW
    Your score for Superiority is MEDIUM
    Your score for Exhibitionism is LOW
    Your score for Exploitativeness is LOW
    Your score for Vanity is MEDIUM
    Your score for Entitlement is LOW
    Did you notice that all three of us (you, me, prpl) all scored medium on Vanity and Superiority and low on everything else?

    That's interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    because there is correlation with MBTI and because you didnt give pic like this, i used MBTI to analyze the probability of the correlation. i knew that it might not give true results, thats why i wanted some studies.

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    would be nice to see the full study since that picture doesent tell much about reliability of the study
    So you are saying that the website which quoted the DSM, quoted it wrong? Or the DSM is wrong/unreliable? Is it because this contradicts the MBTI link with NPD, that NPDs are Judgers, and Judgers aren't borderline???

    If the MBTI would have been so useful in understanding mental issues, don't you think it would be recognized worldwide...as a cool tool for insight?

    The correlations between these things are too complicated to be understood without the MBTI....Comorbidity isn't fully understood...there are theories and theories...

    In order for comorbidity to be fully understood, the relationships between the neurotransmitters and all of the brain's biology must be understood. So yes, at that point , the studies will be entirely reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Did you notice that all three of us (you, me, prpl) all scored medium on Vanity and Superiority and low on everything else?

    That's interesting.
    ...because we all four actually ARE that smart and beautiful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    If narcissism is defined by an inability to experience empathy, how does it differ, fundamentally, from sociopathy? I'm curious...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisoc...ality_disorder (sociopathy = antisocial pd)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narciss...ality_disorder
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