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    is there a test to see if you're narcissistic? I think I might be a little bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    So, I assume at this point most people on the thread will start arguing?

    Being narcissistic isn't all that bad for the one who suffers from the disorder, it's actually so good that a very high percentage of them don't want to give it up. Don't want to handle their shit.
    They may not want to seek help because they lack insight, as well. (Like lots of other personality disorders)
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    Incidentially the world's in a bad, bad state if this kind of state is considered enviable or is practically advantageous, if even only temporarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You cant have moderate narcissism, its not a super charged legitimate self-interest, esteem and confidence its a pathological disorder.

    The behaviour and rationalisations that a narcissist presents to the world are in reality an overcompensation for secret but crushing doubts, they are the opposite in reality or in fact to what they appear.

    Consequently their highly "deployed" or "defensive" natures makes them ill suited for any kind of treatment, they're likely to suspect that they're being "played" for a sap, a lot of the time if they come into treatment its not acknowledgely for what the root cause of their suffering is, the narcissistic behaviour and thinking, but depressive illness, nervous exhaustion and being "spent".

    In the worst examples of the illness it can escalate into psychotic breaks and delusions of more than grandeur or the individual is not actually exhibiting narcissism but has some sort of sociopathy or psychopathy (the lack of conscience).
    Can't narcissism be known as a trait as well, though, rather than always being a disorder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Incidentially the world's in a bad, bad state if this kind of state is considered enviable or is practically advantageous, if even only temporarily.
    No, not the world. Just Elfboy

    I imagine it could be enviable kind of like mania is enviable for anyone who's experienced it.

    (Edit: I am really glad I came across this thread... I had been close to someone narcissistic and didn't realize it, and I always said things about him like, "he's cocky. He lacks insight into anyone around him or himself. It seems like someone like that could really become psychotic or hurtful. I'm glad I can put a likely name to the problem, now. It wasn't just me. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    So, I assume at this point most people on the thread will start arguing?

    Being narcissistic isn't all that bad for the one who suffers from the disorder, it's actually so good that a very high percentage of them don't want to give it up. Don't want to handle their shit.

    Most of what I know is from what I've observed, and a little online research.
    It's interesting how they appear so cool, but when you take a closer look at the long term behavior you can observe all sorts of weird shit.

    Most of the weird shit is in stress periods. That's when people notice that there's something odd about their self esteem.
    Some of them may enjoy hurting, subjugating people on purpose, just to exibit some sense of power. Some of them may also be antisocial and usually belittle people, considering them all ugly idiots.

    Some may view the world and people in ups and downs. Admiring intensely some person for a while, and then switching their opinions radically, considering them idiots, and continuing the pattern with other people, always finding someone new.

    Some may be obsessed with social status, and will use/manipulate people to achieve their goals.

    They also show a big time lack of empathy.

    Weirdness is interesting.

    However, short term interaction with them won't show much wrong. They're pretty impressive.
    That's why I can't stand them. They think everyone else has a problem and they don't. It's one of the most difficult things to treat, along with borderline personality disorder. I still find narcissism to be more repellent, though. I'm still capable of having sympathy for people with BPD.

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    Actually borderline and narcissistic personality disorders are strongly correlated.
    And the antisocial thing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That's why I can't stand them. They think everyone else has a problem and they don't. It's one of the most difficult things to treat, along with borderline personality disorder. I still find narcissism to be more repellent, though. I'm still capable of having sympathy for people with BPD.
    I know! The one who I think had narcissism, is probably the only person that I've ever come close to saying "I hate." "Because he is a bad person." It's a nasty thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Actually borderline and narcissistic personality disorders are strongly correlated.
    And the antisocial thing....
    That makes sense. Seems like a lot of the people with these disorders have a plethora of comorbidities. I guess if they have other disorders that lack insight, than it could be even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Can't narcissism be known as a trait as well, though, rather than always being a disorder?
    Yes, people will sometimes call people who show self-absorbed traits narcissists. The thing is though, narcissism goes beyond being merely self-absorbed. A person can be self-absorbed and still be aware of their own faults and treat other people with relative kindness and respect.

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