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    Okay, well today I'm going to imagine that I'm a princess, okay?

    I don't want to be left out of Delusionalday.

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    please check out my new poll on the same subject
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    Is Charlie Sheen a narcissist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    NPD was associated with mental disability among men but not women. High co-occurrence rates of substance use, mood, and anxiety disorders and other personality disorders were observed. With additional comorbidity controlled for, associations with bipolar I disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and schizotypal and borderline personality disorders remained significant, but weakened, among men and women.

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    Prevalence, correlates, disability, and comorbidity of DSM-IV narcissistic personality disorder: results from the wave 2 national epidemiologic survey on alcohol and related conditions.

    Stinson FS, Dawson DA, Goldstein RB, Chou SP, Huang B, Smith SM, Ruan WJ, Pulay AJ, Saha TD, Pickering RP, Grant BF.

    Laboratory of Epidemiology and Biometry, Division of Intramural Clinical and Biological Research, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892-9304, USA.
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    OBJECTIVES: To present nationally representative findings on prevalence, sociodemographic correlates, disability, and comorbidity of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) among men and women.

    METHOD: Face-to-face interviews with 34,653 adults participating in the Wave 2 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions conducted between 2004 and 2005 in the United States.

    RESULTS: Prevalence of lifetime NPD was 6.2%, with rates greater for men (7.7%) than for women (4.8%). NPD was significantly more prevalent among black men and women and Hispanic women, younger adults, and separated/divorced/widowed and never married adults. NPD was associated with mental disability among men but not women. High co-occurrence rates of substance use, mood, and anxiety disorders and other personality disorders were observed. With additional comorbidity controlled for, associations with bipolar I disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and schizotypal and borderline personality disorders remained significant, but weakened, among men and women. Similar associations were observed between NPD and specific phobia, generalized anxiety disorder, and bipolar II disorder among women and between NPD and alcohol abuse, alcohol dependence, drug dependence, and histrionic and obsessive-compulsive personality disorders among men. Dysthymic disorder was significantly and negatively associated with NPD.

    CONCLUSIONS: NPD is a prevalent personality disorder in the general U.S. population and is associated with considerable disability among men, whose rates exceed those of women. NPD may not be as stable as previously recognized or described in the DSM-IV. The results highlight the need for further research from numerous perspectives to identify the unique and common genetic and environmental factors underlying the disorder-specific associations with NPD observed in this study.
    okay. why didnt you post this at first instead of some out of date scores with poor validity? you happen to know whats the comorbidity with the new version?


    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a mental illness
    no its not, its a personality disorder like the name suggests
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    from what I've gathered so far, it seems like what seperates a healthy narcissistic personality from someone with narcissistic personality disorder is being unable or unwilling to think about other people at all and refusal or inability to value or respect other people. essentially, it sounds like a combination of healthy narcissism with antisocial personality disorder and touches of histrionic personality disorder.
    personality disorders can be seen as really unhealthy(enough to be diagnosed) traits of personality. when you look at for example histrionic from an MBTI point of view, you could say that its an really unhealthy trait of extraverted person who makes decisions with malfunctioning F. by malfunctioning F, i mean making decisions with it, but missing things like genuine empathy that normal people get from the function, and just uses T to make all the unhealthy F needs happen. instead of using T to make the first decision about for example should i act this way, he uses it to just think about how can i make this happen.

    now when you look at people with some traits of narcissism for example, but not that strong traits that it could be diagnosed as personality disorder and would just fall into a category of narcissistic in its general speaking term. from MBTI point of view, those can also be seen as unhealthy function usage, but not being that severe cases. loving yourself or having a high self esteem doesent make you a narcissistic person, but what does make you a narcissistic is when you take these things to a unhealthy levels, whether those levels are high enough to have a personality disorder or just narcissistic in its general term.

    in conclusion there is no healthy narcissism of any type, healthy people can have some traits of narcissistic person, but he is not a narcissistic unless those traits are taken into unhealthy levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    Is Charlie Sheen a narcissist?
    i highly doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a mental illness while narcissistic personality is simply a personality.

    And while those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder lead disordered lives, those with a narcissistic personality are often quite successful, like CEOs.

    I think the problem is that Narcissistic Personality Disorder and narcissistic personality are almost the same words and so they are easily confused.
    Hmm.. you know that's funny. Kind of a different topic, but I always thought that personality disorders are impossible to treat because it's like saying... "your personality is a big disorder, lets fix your personality" ... like trying to remove the disorder without changing the person's personality may be impossible. (Key phrase: "I always thought".. I'm not stating it as a fact.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Hmm.. you know that's funny. Kind of a different topic, but I always thought that personality disorders are impossible to treat because it's like saying... "your personality is a big disorder, lets fix your personality" ... like trying to remove the disorder without changing the person's personality may be impossible. (Key phrase: "I always thought".. I'm not stating it as a fact.)
    they can be treated, but it can be extremely hard and it might be impossible to get rid of the disorder completely. in some cases like narcissistic, people dont even want any treatment for the disorder, because they dont see anything wrong in themselves, even tho other people do. i think MBTI could be a good instrument for treatment in some disorders, because it allows people to understand themselves and training the functions that arent used enough or are used in negative ways might potentially help them. no studies have done about using MBTI as instrument in treatment, so its just speculation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Each one of us needs to be loved unconditionally as babies. And if we are loved uncondtionally, we can move on to meeting our further developmental needs.

    However if we are not loved unconditionally, we take these unmet needs into adulthood. And when such an early developmental need is not met, then it is likely further developmental needs will also not be met. And we will remain stunted all our lives.

    But the interesting thing is that if we live in prosperous countries with a good food supply, our bodies will grow and develop while only our psyches will be stunted.

    And in prosperous countries we get a second chance. If our mother or our parents or our carers were unable to love us unconditionally as babies, we get a second chance of unconditional love with a professional therapist.

    So babies have a normal, narcissistic need to be loved unconditionally, but if this narcissistic need is not met, the unmet need can carry over into adulthood and the narcissistic personality.
    This is the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I am unconvinced that I am a true narcissist for reasons that
    1) I do not feel entitled to better treatment or gifts of any kind. that being said, I am rather disgusted when I receive poor service if I've paid money for it. I will not allow people to sell me short
    2) I'm at least moderately empathetic and very affectionate
    3) I enjoy finding out when I'm wrong. the problem is that so few people are willing to tell me or fail to point out specifically what is wrong (welcome to being enneatype 8 lol)
    4) I have respect for people do frequently factor in their well being to my decisions as needed
    5) while I do consider myself extremely superior it doesn't mean that I consider others inferior. they can do what they want, but I only accept the best and I intend to get it.
    however, I will admit that I have a strongly narcissistic personality and I am now considering the possibiility of getting professionally evaluated for narcissism once I have sufficient capital

    in regards to your other post, you have mentioned on the the exceptions in which I feel being altruistic is very crucial, and that's family. even then though, a mother benefits from raising a child on many levels, but lets just keep it simple and say that she loves her child and that feeling is very satisfying. also, raising a child is accepting responsibility for a decision to have kids usually. it has more to do with fullfilling responsibilities you've agreed to than altruism in most cases

    Edit: in regards to point 5, there are a few exceptions to this that I struggle with as mentioned in a previous posts, but my overall philosophy is not that other people are inferior
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