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    No moss growing on me Giggly's Avatar
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    hey, look at that! A narcissistic INFP. *stares*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    ...oh dear, I seem to have greatly upset you, very well this should be amusing
    1) true caring does not mean placing others needs before your own. being a self preserving individual is not a sin.
    2) tests are not designed to tell you what you are, that's what psychological councilling is for. tests are intended to be an indicator. all practioners of MBTI, Enneagram, personality instruments, psychological disorder instruments and trained psychologists will tell you this
    3) your presentation of data is against me is impressive and informative, but please safe the character assassinating commentary, it's a waste of time and energy for both of us. I asked why specifically you thought I was self serving. I did not ask your opinion of me which I do not care about.
    4) disagreement with test results is not self serving. it is possible that I do possesss such negative qualities that I do not see in myself, but not thinking they're there does not make one self serving
    5) i am not the type to deny my faults. I will be the first to tell you I struggle with superiority issues, discipline, routine and motivation, but I would be foolish to believe every flaw about myself that a test or another person brought up to me. disagreeable does not equal close minded
    6) I cannot direct you to a site that says CEOs, successful people and such have validated my claims. my conclusions are tendentative as I believe I've stated
    Bravo Elfboy! I will say this, whether your a narcissist or not, I truly admire your ability to stay on topic and avoid personal attacks. That quality is becomming quite a gem in some of these discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Bravo Elfboy! I will say this, whether your a narcissist or not, I truly admire your ability to stay on topic and avoid personal attacks. That quality is becomming quite a gem in some of these discussions.
    thanks
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    A case study.

    How would you describe Mohandas Gandhi as narcissistic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    hey, look at that! A narcissistic INFP. *stares*

    ! where?!

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    Smile The proper narcissistic needs of babies

    Each one of us needs to be loved unconditionally as babies. And if we are loved uncondtionally, we can move on to meeting our further developmental needs.

    However if we are not loved unconditionally, we take these unmet needs into adulthood. And when such an early developmental need is not met, then it is likely further developmental needs will also not be met. And we will remain stunted all our lives.

    But the interesting thing is that if we live in prosperous countries with a good food supply, our bodies will grow and develop while only our psyches will be stunted.

    And in prosperous countries we get a second chance. If our mother or our parents or our carers were unable to love us unconditionally as babies, we get a second chance of unconditional love with a professional therapist.

    So babies have a normal, narcissistic need to be loved unconditionally, but if this narcissistic need is not met, the unmet need can carry over into adulthood and the narcissistic personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    ...oh dear, I seem to have greatly upset you, very well this should be amusing
    1) true caring does not mean placing others needs before your own. being a self preserving individual is not a sin.
    2) tests are not designed to tell you what you are, that's what psychological councilling is for. tests are intended to be an indicator. all practioners of MBTI, Enneagram, personality instruments, psychological disorder instruments and trained psychologists will tell you this
    3) your presentation of data is against me is impressive and informative, but please safe the character assassinating commentary, it's a waste of time and energy for both of us. I asked why specifically you thought I was self serving. I did not ask your opinion of me which I do not care about.
    4) disagreement with test results is not self serving. it is possible that I do possesss such negative qualities that I do not see in myself, but not thinking they're there does not make one self serving
    5) i am not the type to deny my faults. I will be the first to tell you I struggle with superiority issues, discipline, routine and motivation, but I would be foolish to believe every flaw about myself that a test or another person brought up to me. disagreeable does not equal close minded
    6) I cannot direct you to a site that says CEOs, successful people and such have validated my claims. my conclusions are tendentative as I believe I've stated
    Not particularly upset, but thanks for checking.

    You asked, I pointed out my opinions based on what you wrote.

    1- So.... what is your definition of "True caring" then?
    2- Uh, no. Counseling perhaps can definitively say say, yes you have this problem! But you don't need a farmer in order to determine whether a root vegetable is a turnip or not.
    3- Character assassination? Where?
    4- Actually yes it is.
    5- You cannot change something without first acknowledging it.
    6- I saw several grand sweeping generalizations and mistakenly assumed that there was something to back them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Not particularly upset, but thanks for checking.

    You asked, I pointed out my opinions based on what you wrote.

    1- So.... what is your definition of "True caring" then?
    2- Uh, no.
    3- Character assassination? Where?
    4- Actually yes it is.
    5- You cannot change something without first acknowledging it.
    6- I saw several grand sweeping generalizations and mistakenly assumed that there was something to back them up.
    1- true care is having an emotional connection with someone or something, respecting their rights and wishing for their benefit
    2- yes, but you don't have to take my word for it. any official site relating to sociology, psychology or psychiatry will tell you the same thing
    3- some of your comments were unnecessesarily biting and some of them were unnecessary and distracting. however, as I am too lazy to point them out, I won't say anything more about this
    4- same as point 2
    5- we are in agreement here. however I am arguing a different point that not initially recognizing certain characteristics in one's self is not the same as ignoring them or trying to cover them up. my last post gave a few areas that I am conscious of needing to work on.
    6- what you saw was several self observed correlations (hence frequent use of "probably" "it would seem" "my guess is" "I think that" etc), you are probably confused because my communicate style is extremely direct and assertive even when making conjectures. this causes many people to view me as close minded, rigid and more well informed than I actually am. I may not be an expert, but I am staunchly opposed to self depreciation except on a purely objective level such as mentioned in point 5

    Edit: thankyou for giving to opportunity to excercise large amounts of Te. this is another skill in which I know I need significant growth in.
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    1- still needs altruism.
    2- farmer and turnip.
    3- I have a speech impediment that makes everything I say sound sarcastic.
    4- Self-serving means to serve the self. If changing answers on subsequent tests isn't serving you, who or what is it serving.
    5- ok.
    6- example: "I mean, those with altruistic lifestyles, low self esteem, low ego or low self confidence usually don't get a whole lot done. "" just because you say "I mean" doesn't mean that the meaning of what you say gets changed. The statement sounds arrogant, and is a generalization against several groups of people.

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