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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    A Personality Disorder is a mental illness.
    No, it's not the same thing.

    Because OCD and OCPD are not the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    BPD is kind of a hefty one for them to throw at you. I am curious as to how this got determined. Did you take the MMPI? Or was it during counseling?

    If you are under a lot of stress, that could really be affecting you and your ability to type. I know that when I am super stressed I get very critical and nitpicky, which is the opposite of how I normally roll.
    It was thrown at me a few years ago by a psychiatrist, I fit the bill. I'm sure lots of people do - it seems all you need is unstable mood, poor sense of self and impulsive behaviour. My best friend has recently been told she has BPD too... I have coping strategies etc for stress so I don't consider this an issue. But my mood is rather extreme at times and each day is different, and my personality seems to vary so much. I am like a completely different person some days and others comment on this too. However in the last year I've started having seizures and various other physical problems that seem to originate from the brain/nervous system so it could be there is more to this 'personality disorder' than meets the eye (currently under investigation).

    Anyway, I am having problems typing myself. Some days I am so sure I am INTP but also score as INTJ/INFP/INFJ. Unstable maybe? heh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    MBTI was plagiarised by Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers from the book, "Personality Types", written by Carl Jung.

    And Carl Jung himself said that his book was based on no empirical evidence.
    psychological types*

    not all psychological research that is considered valid these days were based on empirical research, that doesent mean that it can be automatically pseudosciences. you can do research on its validity later too, but i agree that if something is based on rationalism, it cant be validated easily as a theory based on empirical research. but you know empirical research doesent mean that its automatically true. the thing with any psychological research is that is based on empirical research(and thus need to be validated using statistical measurements) is that none of it can be called true or untrue, researchers talk about(and calculate) chance that the study is false(or actually this is done to every hypothesis in the study separately). like it or not, but MBTI has higher validity than astrology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    You keep on contradicting me. This suggests you are looking for a fight. But what would you gain by fighting me?
    i dont try to fight, im just saying that personality disorders are personality disorders, not mental illnesses
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    personality disorders are personality disorders, not mental illnesses
    Why not consult DSM IV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    not all psychological research that is considered valid these days were based on empirical research, that doesent mean that it can be automatically pseudosciences. you can do research on its validity later too, but i agree that if something is based on rationalism, it cant be validated easily as a theory based on empirical research. but you know empirical research doesent mean that its automatically true. the thing with any psychological research is that is based on empirical research(and thus need to be validated using statistical measurements) is that none of it can be called true or untrue, researchers talk about(and calculate) chance that the study is false(or actually this is done to every hypothesis in the study separately). like it or not, but MBTI has higher validity than astrology
    In seventy years not one random double blind experiment has been done with MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Why not consult DSM IV?
    i dont understand what you are trying with this, but personality disorders are axis II disorders. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is for mental disorders, not only for mental illnesses

    Axis I: Clinical disorders, including major mental disorders, and learning disorders
    Axis II: Personality disorders and intellectual disabilities (although developmental disorders, such as Autism, were coded on Axis II in the previous edition, these disorders are now included on Axis I)
    Axis III: Acute medical conditions and physical disorders
    Axis IV: Psychosocial and environmental factors contributing to the disorder
    Axis V: Global Assessment of Functioning or Children's Global Assessment Scale for children and teens under the age of 18

    Common Axis I disorders include depression, anxiety disorders, bipolar disorder, ADHD, autism spectrum disorders, anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and schizophrenia.

    Common Axis II disorders include personality disorders: paranoid personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, avoidant personality disorder, dependent personality disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, and intellectual disabilities.

    Common Axis III disorders include brain injuries and other medical/physical disorders which may aggravate existing diseases or present symptoms similar to other disorders.
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    In seventy years not one random double blind experiment has been done with MBTI.
    do you know what double blind experiment means? because if you would, you wouldnt be asking that for MBTI test
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pand0ra View Post
    It was thrown at me a few years ago by a psychiatrist, I fit the bill. I'm sure lots of people do - it seems all you need is unstable mood, poor sense of self and impulsive behaviour. My best friend has recently been told she has BPD too... I have coping strategies etc for stress so I don't consider this an issue. But my mood is rather extreme at times and each day is different, and my personality seems to vary so much. I am like a completely different person some days and others comment on this too. However in the last year I've started having seizures and various other physical problems that seem to originate from the brain/nervous system so it could be there is more to this 'personality disorder' than meets the eye (currently under investigation).

    Anyway, I am having problems typing myself. Some days I am so sure I am INTP but also score as INTJ/INFP/INFJ. Unstable maybe? heh..
    If you're having seizures I wouldn't be so sure this is BPD.

    Sometimes they have to rule out BPD when people actually have bipolar disorder, but mood instability can also come from other sources. I hope you get this checked out.

    The "being a different person some days" I suppose falls under the criteria for BPD, tell me, did they give you any medications that could cause seizures?

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