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    It just sounds like she lacks experience in coordinating these sorts of things. She needs to feel empowered yet supported, but of course you've also got your own set of time constraints and so you need to deal with this in an efficient way.

    There's an intermediate step between "getting barraged with lists of questions" and "leaving her completely alone and defenseless." Perhaps, for each question she has, she should come up with an answer herself and simply ask you whether you agree with it--rather than asking for an answer from you.

    Next time, then, she might feel more comfortable just taking the baby and running with it.

    If you're a small organization, it pays to invest in people at her level.

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    Thanks for your advice, both of you the three of you . Well you're of course right, if she cant do her job she'ld need to be replaced, but it's not that serious yet. She's actually quite good at her job, she just has issues to decide things for her own, but I think it's a thing she can learn and I'ld try to help her with that. The idea to have her make a list and to give her a clear deadline or outline for when work has to be finished I find great. Assigning a co-leader would be a waste of ressources in this unimportant case and we lack personel anyways. Especially to "the making of a deadlines list" I think I should get used too. If people have a bit more pressure I think decisions like "red" or "brown" will be easier .

    The whole reason to this thread and why I am doing this is that. I've been thinking lately, even a bit philosophical; you have to know I have one of the best school educations you can get around here and my University degree has high reputation with people. That brings people to make me a leader somehow automatically. Yet tho I learnt how to build a combustion engine or nuclear bomb, I still never learnt how to lead, never really thought about that. I think I have a natural tendancy to be a good advisor for people, cause I've been so far in my life, yet I'ld never assume I am a good leader cause I lack the proper training. The funny thing I learn now tho is, there is really no proper training. There is practical work, you can learn a thing from, but nobody really entitles you to be a leade rnow. You just become it by taking on responsibilities.

    Maybe that insight was easy for everybody else, to me it wasnt so much. I am just learning that and tho I am not showing my insecurities towards the outside world, I am stiull learning a lot of things and I will always learn for all my life.

    Maybe you do understand what I mean and can empathise. That'ld make me feel a little less crazy
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    That's another good approach.

    A "here is what I've done / progress" list sent periodically, and you only intervene if you see her going way off track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    What do you think, how is that possible ? Any tricks, hints, excersises welcome.
    So what does it take to be able to make quick and good decisions ?
    I couldn't teach someone to make decisions as fast as I can, if I tried. It's how your brain is wired.
    Someone could present me with 10 options and this is what you'll hear from me:

    No.
    No.
    No.
    No.
    Yes.
    No.
    No.
    Yes.
    No.
    No.



    Let's run with 5 and 8. Next?
    Not only does that not offend anyone, it's why people come to me in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Maybe you do understand what I mean and can empathise. That'ld make me feel a little less crazy
    I can assure you that this is a pretty big problem almost everywhere.. organizations often promote their best technical people into leadership positions without providing them many opportunities for beneficial leadership/business/psychology/management training. The same happens when technical people get into teaching positions as well.

    Many fail to realize that this is a problem. However, people who are smart enough to fare well in the technical game are often also smart enough to be effective leaders; they simply need to realize that the problems they face in leadership positions are different than those they face in the technical realm. They also need to be equipped with the best tools and training available to do the job effectively.


    Again, she might be just as new to her game as you are to yours. You'd want the people above you to work with you and provide direction, yet also provide you some autonomy.


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    Communicating your vision isn't something that requires a lot of training. In your situation entropie, how do you want the end product to appear? Express it here including cost guidelines (make a figure up for the sake of anonymity or not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    I can assure you that this is a pretty big problem almost everywhere.. organizations often promote their best technical people into leadership positions without providing them many opportunities for beneficial leadership/business/psychology/management training. The same happens when technical people get into teaching positions as well.

    Many fail to realize that this is a problem. However, people who are smart enough to fare well in the technical game are often also smart enough to be effective leaders; they simply need to realize that the problems they face in leadership positions are different than those they face in the technical realm. They also need to be equipped with the best tools and training available to do the job effectively.


    Again, she might be just as new to her game as you are to yours. You'd want the people above you to work with you and provide direction, yet also provide you some autonomy.

    I see, yea that is valueable shared experience. Maybe I can prevent my authority from putting me into authority put drawing out some complex algorithms of process improvement . Bet they gonna crack at the first integral .

    What was very weird was that I tended to think after the first week she bombarded me with questions that she has a crush on me, because it's so rare woman talk with me that much that if they do I tend to start imagining something . Kinda awkward for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Communicating your vision isn't something that requires a lot of training. In your situation entropie, how do you want the end product to appear? Express it here including cost guidelines (make a figure up for the sake of anonymity or not).
    Well it's no vision really. We have a fixed set of equimpement in the company for fairs and I told her that I need a table with two chairs, the portable counter and the foldable wall. The wall and the counter need a new design you can put on a paper with magnets on it. I send her our company logo and she knows our companys CI + colours. She already did a fine image but then she started asking me question if the chairs should be in a 90 degree angle at the table or should be at the opposing ends of the table. This of course important, but I can see that on the day of the event for myself. And it all went too far from there. I admit I probably let it come too far too easily, but as I said, there's much to learn
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Well it's no vision really. We have a fixed set of equimpement in the company for fairs and I told her that I need a table with two chairs, the portable counter and the foldable wall. The wall and the counter need a new design you can put on a paper with magnets on it. I send her our company logo and she knows our companys CI + colours. She already did a fine image but then she started asking me question if the chairs should be in a 90 degree angle at the table or should be at the opposing ends of the table. This of course important, but I can see that on the day of the event for myself. And it all went too far from there. I admit I probably let it come too far too easily, but as I said, there's much to learn
    Based on the simplicity of the guidelines expressed, sounds like she's the wrong person for the job. She should be able to handle that in her sleep.

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    Thinking about this more, a different and wide open way to approach this in future, is to set up a staff bid. Throw the job open to your staff with similar guidelines with a caveat of "looking for a self-starter, one who's familiar with trade show setups" where the best person will get the job based on the submission of their ideas within a particular cost ceiling. And if you get no takers or none with the above very minimal qualifications, your fall back plan will be to delegate this role.

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