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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Sensors are looking for different information than intuitives. They work with a different currency.. So it is unfair to say they struggle with grasping intuitive concepts while omitting the other half of the picture, where you fail to exchange your thoughts and ideas into their currency.
    We all use the same information. The difference is, intuitives string the data together, and sensors don't.

    You can be a bad intuitive and string one piece of data to something else that isn't connected. Again, I say look at Michael Scott.
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    I am a bad intuitive. I need to be swatted with a newspaper for some of the conclusions I draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    I am a bad intuitive. I need to be swatted with a newspaper for some of the conclusions I draw.
    Don't be so hard on yourself. Not all types can be as perfect as the INFJ.;P
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    Sorry, I let my faux modesty out of its cage. Get back here, I say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    We all use the same information. The difference is, intuitives string the data together, and sensors don't.

    You can be a bad intuitive and string one piece of data to something else that isn't connected. Again, I say look at Michael Scott.
    This sounds pretty self-serving to me, I must say. Wouldn't it be possible that there is no pattern whatsoever, and an intuitive sees one that isn't there, whereas a sensor would in fact be more accurate just determining the accuracy/validity of the information? Wouldn't that be more "intelligent" than a mental process that was flawed to begin with? I don't think that your assertion that intuition correlates with intelligence holds water.
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    Dana, I agree with you that I experience the difference as a differing of interests although I know it is more like the currency analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    This sounds pretty self-serving to me, I must say. Wouldn't it be possible that there is no pattern whatsoever, and an intuitive sees one that isn't there, whereas a sensor would in fact be more accurate just determining the accuracy/validity of the information? Wouldn't that be more "intelligent" than a mental process that was flawed to begin with? I don't think that your assertion that intuition correlates with intelligence holds water.
    Sensors, to my mind, seem to "ground" their thinking better. It's done in reference to a central point/ theory or has a foundation of thinking underneath it. Intuitives build castles on sand. We may be good or bad architects but we could still use a little insight from those who know about solid foundations and equally vice versa. After all our areas of comfort may be different but we're both trying to build a frickin house are we not?

    Anyhow if you specialist in intuition then you second in sensor and vice versa. The whole bias is daft. There are trends just as there are between men and women but applying such trends as rules is ridiculous in the face of contrary evidence.
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    Not sure what you are up to “Whatever”, but it was indicated some time ago in this thread that you were not ESTP.

    I think it has been known for years that the proposed biasness stems from peoples ignorance of type system in general, not because those preferring intuition are. There is no indication that any particular function, type or anything is more or less rare than another. I am still waiting for someone to refer me to statistics showing intuitives to be rarer by anything other than a simple dichotomy. Since each dichotomy represents a number of type functions (i.e. E= Ne, Se, Te, Fe and I=Ni, Si, Ti, Fi) then you can't determine rarity.

    Also I think most true SP and possibly SJ types do not want to be anything other than what they are. Only intuitives seem to have some self-aggrandizement that it's more special to be N. After four years on the forums and an additional three on the Yahoo boards, I have yet to see it, and to make some claim doesn't make you so, it only shows the superfluous need to believe one is special.

    So again making the claim of ESTP seemed meaningless since, if truth be known, at least the SPs who observed you knew that you were not when you created the above-referenced thread. This is not a slam against you and I think that most SPs are proud of who they are so any biasness is illusive laced with ignorance in knowing the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Sensors, to my mind, seem to "ground" their thinking better. It's done in reference to a central point/ theory or has a foundation of thinking underneath it. Intuitives build castles on sand. We may be good or bad architects but we could still use a little insight from those who know about solid foundations and equally vice versa. After all our areas of comfort may be different but we're both trying to build a frickin house are we not?

    Anyhow if you specialist in intuition then you second in sensor and vice versa. The whole bias is daft. There are trends just as there are between men and women but applying such trends as rules is ridiculous in the face of contrary evidence.
    I agree. I mean, I'd at least LIKE to believe that I understand things conceptually and that I use data to reach abstract conclusions. I just happen not to be doing that at all times. I would never argue, for instance, that intuitive people are ignorant of plain facts in front of them. That would be ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I would never argue, for instance, that intuitive people are ignorant of plain facts in front of them. That would be ludicrous.
    And yet...

    The other day, for example, I wanted to go shopping. For that, I need two things:
    1- a bag
    2- my wallet.
    Usually, my wallet is in the backpack, so that's two searches completed in one go. So I went looking for the backpack. Went around the flat once - no backpack. Stopped, thought about it. Nope, couldn't remember leaving it anywhere special. Went around the flat a second time, paying special attention. Still no backpack. By then, I was starting to suspect that my husband had taken it. So I tried calling him on the phone, but he didn't answer. Then I thought a bit more about it: if he'd taken the backpack, he would have noticed my wallet, and he would have taken it out and left it somewhere for me to find. So I went a third time around the flat, looking for my wallet this time. And sure enough, I found it in two seconds flat, waiting for me in full view on the kitcken counter But I hadn't been looking for it, so I didn't "see" it. Classic. Wanna bet that a Sensor would have noticed it right away ?

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