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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Oh, I am vain AND a know-it-all. Not sure if I am an elitist or not.
    Are you an ESFJ, or did you just put that there to throw us off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Are you an ESFJ, or did you just put that there to throw us off?
    I am! When I test, I always get very expressed Extroversion and fairly expressed Judging. I've taken a couple of tests online now, and it's almost always ESFJ (with an ENFJ once). I think that my Feeling/Thinking is probably close, too. So, ExFJ perhaps? I know that it's not the right way to do things, but ESFJ is definitely the closest-sounding to me. I have been called an ENFP, but I really am not the crusading, let's-start-a-revolution type. I am much more detail-oriented and more likely to be the person who cooks you your favorite meal, or remembers the anniversary/favorite song/who directed the movie.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I think that the bias does pop up, though. I am trying to countervail it by engaging people actively.
    I'm not there yet and, sincerely, appreciate your efforts. We need more who care that way as we've, unfortunately, got some who set a really bad example. As a beginner, I wasn't aware they are not typical.

    That makes me think, maybe some (any type) here who don't put their type on their profile, when they know it actually do have consiences. Perhaps they intend to be A-holes and don't want to influence as to type... hmm food for thought.

    I can't find a good quote (not because they aren't there.. I'm just on my first cup) but I would like to address something you said. You maintain that it is the speaker's responsibility to adjust their output to suite the listener... words to that affect. Well, in 20 years of marriage to an "S" that just has never worked for me. I've tried so many different styles of communicating its ridiculous and once he has a viewpoint.. that is unchangable and it doesn't matter if its as minor as who takes out the garbage to a major purchase. So I paid real close attention to your words on that as I'm here to learn types and how to understand them. The trouble I see with your viewpoint is that noone can be constantly changing themselves to accomodate someone else's com style and they may be dealing with multiple types all at once.. which effective communication style would they choose then? I maintain that what each needs to do.. speaker and listener (interchangably) is make a concerted effort to understand what the speaker is saying. I mean don't we all do that while reading for instance? And soften their hearts/judgements so that when miscommunication does occur, no irreparable damage is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I am! When I test, I always get very expressed Extroversion and fairly expressed Judging. I've taken a couple of tests online now, and it's almost always ESFJ (with an ENFJ once). I think that my Feeling/Thinking is probably close, too. So, ExFJ perhaps? I know that it's not the right way to do things, but ESFJ is definitely the closest-sounding to me. I have been called an ENFP, but I really am not the crusading, let's-start-a-revolution type. I am much more detail-oriented and more likely to be the person who cooks you your favorite meal, or remembers the anniversary/favorite song/who directed the movie.
    Ah. Because the ESFJs I know are very happy, smily people who like helping others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanan View Post
    I'm not there yet and, sincerely, appreciate your efforts. We need more who care that way as we've, unfortunately, got some who set a really bad example. As a beginner, I wasn't aware they are not typical.

    That makes me think, maybe some (any type) here who don't put their type on their profile, when they know it actually do have consiences. Perhaps they intend to be A-holes and don't want to influence as to type... hmm food for thought.

    I can't find a good quote (not because they aren't there.. I'm just on my first cup) but I would like to address something you said. You maintain that it is the speaker's responsibility to adjust their output to suite the listener... words to that affect. Well, in 20 years of marriage to an "S" that just has never worked for me. I've tried so many different styles of communicating its ridiculous and once he has a viewpoint.. that is unchangable and it doesn't matter if its as minor as who takes out the garbage to a major purchase. So I paid real close attention to your words on that as I'm here to learn types and how to understand them. The trouble I see with your viewpoint is that noone can be constantly changing themselves to accomodate someone else's com style and they may be dealing with multiple types all at once.. which effective communication style would they choose then? I maintain that what each needs to do.. speaker and listener (interchangably) is make a concerted effort to understand what the speaker is saying. I mean don't we all do that while reading for instance? And soften their hearts/judgements so that when miscommunication does occur, no irreparable damage is done.
    I should have been clearer. You shouldn't "change" yourself to accommodate someone. It's just that the lack of understanding isn't necessarily on the other person's end (sensor or not). It's usually in the middle. Therefore, one should take that into account. Also, that type of behavior (making up your mind and not changing it) is being stubborn, and that is not particular to any one type or function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Also, that type of behavior (making up your mind and not changing it) is being stubborn, and that is not particular to any one type or function.
    Yes, I agree with that but, as a thinking person (type regardless), I cannot ignore the fact that yesterday, in the ensuing type discussion, five people, without talking to each other nor having time to read each other's posts, described dealing in it with the beloved "Ss" at home. Mine happens to be an "SJ" My point was that when this stubborn streak is present, one cannot know if its actually a communication problem.

    Edit: but if one finds themselves saying "Don't change the subject" often enough the odds are pretty good its not communication that's the issue. :-)

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    Default I think it's just an optical illusion

    I've been thinking about it, and I think the only reason it looks like Ns think Ss are stupid is because there are more Ns here than there are Ss here.

    In real life, where there are more Ss than Ns, Ns are the ones who are made to feel stupid. The only people who ever insult my intelligence in real life are S types. They accuse me of not having common sense, or my ideas not being practical, or just plain stupid. Maybe the pendulum swings both ways, but it just doesn't look like it - it's an optical illusion.


    And as Xander knows, I will not be persuaded otherwise.

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    I've said before that I think the biggest divide is S/N. It does not mean you're dumb if you're an S. I do think it means an S and an N process information differently, and have difficulty getting on one another's wavelength. It ends up being the biggest source of frustration. I have strong Ne, and end up getting exasperated when someone doesn't follow the way my warped mind works. It's not anyone's shortcoming; just a difference in thinking process.


    I... suppose. Yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I've been thinking about it, and I think the only reason it looks like Ns think Ss are stupid is because there are more Ns here than there are Ss here.

    In real life, where there are more Ss than Ns, Ns are the ones who are made to feel stupid. The only people who ever insult my intelligence in real life are S types. They accuse me of not having common sense, or my ideas not being practical, or just plain stupid. Maybe the pendulum swings both ways, but it just doesn't look like it - it's an optical illusion.


    And as Xander knows, I will not be persuaded otherwise.
    i think on top of that is the fact that many of us Ns have been rejected by the S-world for a long time, and we have pent-up aggression that we unfairly displace.

    i know i'm guilty of that, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I've been thinking about it, and I think the only reason it looks like Ns think Ss are stupid is because there are more Ns here than there are Ss here.

    In real life, where there are more Ss than Ns, Ns are the ones who are made to feel stupid. The only people who ever insult my intelligence in real life are S types. They accuse me of not having common sense, or my ideas not being practical, or just plain stupid. Maybe the pendulum swings both ways, but it just doesn't look like it - it's an optical illusion.
    That isn't right, either, and people shouldn't be so narrow-minded. It's hard for people to understand the way my mind works, so I have issues there, too. And I love the Jung quotation there.

    P.S. I am trying to figure out the types of people I know who truly are stupid, and it's difficult.
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