Sensor Bias at MBTIc

[Tallulah]

Huh... I see the exact opposite. I see the N stating a conclusion but figuring the steps to get there are so obvious they don't need stated. Whereas the S is a detail-oriented kind of guy, and goes through each step in excruciating, mind-numbing detail.

This is my experience, too. I have to consciously remember to include details, and when I do include details or try to explain my process, I feel like I'm being either condescending or boring. When others are talking to me, I'm frequently trying to get the gist of the story. Too many details obscure the point.

 

[Seanan]

This is my experience, too. I have to consciously remember to include details, and when I do include details or try to explain my process, I feel like I'm being either condescending or boring. When others are talking to me, I'm frequently trying to get the gist of the story. Too many details obscure the point.

That must be it... I get those blank stares or screwed up looks so its becomes automatic to fill in. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Wandering]

You simply cannot understand the iNtuitive function without understanding Sensing. Both poles of the spectrum must be comprehended and defined in a balanced manner in order for the distinctions to be clear.

How true!

The Si thread not long ago helped me understand both Ni and Si better.

Mistyping one of my favourite characters as an NP, and having to go through all the NP types, and then having to expand to all other types, to finally get the revelation that he's an SP, helped me understand both Se and Ne better.

 

[INTJMom]

That's a rather strange thing to say after I just spent several posts promoting understanding people's ways of thinking. There is a spectrum of intelligence in the world; it just isn't claimed by any one race, or belief system, or personality trait.

You made it sound as though your life is heavily populated by stupid people. I can't say I know ANY actual stupid people.

 

[CzeCze]

Wow, I don't even know what's going on with this thread anymore but this is the quote of the day! :

I am starting to think that "sensor" = "relative or co-worker I hate" for some people.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I noticed on the boards when someone vents/criticize/complain about a certain type or 'quadrants' like NF or SJ or ENFX etc., they much of the time they're really just venting about a particular person IRL. Some thorn in their side, a dysfunctional/family member, annoying classmate, bastard of a co-worker, etc.

I think like any true bias, personal grudge gets extrapolated to a whole type, and it's easy to say, "I don't want to deal with this type anymore, because my roommate was a XXXX and I'm angry as hell, and I'm not gonna put up with it anymore!" Or else you take the bad personal experiences from a few people and life events and voila! -- you've synthesized volumes of MBTI theory.

So, yeah, 10 points for you Pure_Mercury! BTW, I don't get from you posts that your ENFP, but then, I have no idea how to type people based on posts.

And ---

I'm sure someone else may have echoed all these sentiments though, somewhere in this 17 and growing pages...



Carry on. And I still have no idea what happened to this thread. I log in, Whatever's an ENTP, I log off, half day later this thread has over 1,000 views.

 

[Seanan]

Carry on. And I still have no idea what happened to this thread. I log in, Whatever's an ENTP, I log off, half day later this thread has over 1,000 views.

Yup and not only that but last night (I'm usually on late) there were 5 active threads compared to a usual minimum of 20 or so. Just isn't the same experience coming here.

 

[cascadeco]

Don't hate me...I'm sure people hoped this thread would just fade into the background.....

In real life, where there are more Ss than Ns, Ns are the ones who are made to feel stupid. The only people who ever insult my intelligence in real life are S types. They accuse me of not having common sense, or my ideas not being practical, or just plain stupid. Maybe the pendulum swings both ways, but it just doesn't look like it - it's an optical illusion.

I can't say it's the same for myself, and I'm kind of puzzled by this because it just doesn't reflect my own experience or the experience of the N's I know, or how I see people interact around me. I just don't see people insulting each other all that much, and based on this thread, N's insult S's just as much, if not a lot more, when it comes to a lot of this stuff.

Now I've never really felt like I fit in anywhere - so maybe I've always felt rather out of place, and have never felt I jive with our 'culture' at large (this is an ongoing theme) - but I think some of it is self-imposed. N's might communicate differently, or see and process things differently, but I think the act of communication falls on everyone's shoulders equally - and there isn't a 'right way' of communicating or processing events. Just lots of different ways.

While we're talking about S stereotypes, I think it's an equal fallacy to say that by being N one is therefore automatically impractical, completely clueless about one's surroundings, or ignorant of how the world works and what's realistic. Maybe many N's are this way, but I don't think it has to go hand in hand.

Or maybe since I think I'm pretty practical and realistic, even though I am in introspective-musing-Ni-Ti-land half the time, that means I'm an S?

I guess I just wanted to post this because I get equally aggravated with some of the N biases out there - that simply aren't true for all N's.

Like others have said, N's don't monopolize the Ni/Ne functions, just as S's aren't the only ones using Si/Se. We all use bits and pieces. It's how we function as human beings, and adapt to things. (And yeah, some will neglect or discard some of the functions for one reason or another.)

 

[LucrativeSid]

I wouldn't want to be a sensor. Just like I wouldn't want to be a woman, a baseball fan, or a Christian. I think that says more about me than it does about the judgements I'm making about other people. For all I know, you're all liars, but I don't care. Nice trick. I'm not sure if it worked out how you imagined it would, but you had an idea, and you tried it. I could say something like "That's what ENTPs are good for, experiments!", but for all I know, you're not an ENTP, either. You're just you. People have questioned every single one of my letters and offered contradicitory explanations for each.

It's possible to rationalize anything in the direction you want to go. If you claimed you were an ISFJ, I'm sure people would start finding any reason they could to make it seem right. Even if I was ugly and stupid, if I wanted to, I'm sure I could come up with lots of reasons why I'm still better than other people. I think people look into this stuff waaayyyy too much. How often are we actually learning something compared to how often we are just filling in the gaps to make sense of things?

 

[Hirsch63]

Edahn: As someone of authority, you have an opinion that carries a lot of weight, so you might want to consider the consequences of saying something like, Sensors? whether it be in jest or not.

I have to agree with that.

 

[alcea rosea]

I dislike very much all kinds of prejudice. As much as N people claim they face prejudice in the real world as much they take their revenge in the online world. I'm N anyway and don't see why we even need the debate who is the smartest. Who cares? What does it matter? It's just bringing yourself up and looking everybody else down. It's the same as who is the prettiest, who has the longest eyelashes, who is tallest and who the shortest? So what?
Blah blah blah. I'm so tired of it.

I think very funny example of all this was the thread where a man had made a video and put it into YouTube claiming he is the most intelligent man in the world (IQ 210 or something). Straight away people here started to say that the most intelligent person on planet must be (of course) the same temperament as I am. Hello! So what? Who cares? Does it make me any better person if that most intelligent person would be NF? No, it wouldn't make any difference in my life.
Blah once more.

S & N people (if such a difference really exists) are just people with DIFFERENT INTERESTS. That is all. S & N people are both living, breathing, thinking, loving, hating... people. They are all people. S people are not from Mars and N people are not from Venus.

 

[arcticangel02]

Okay, I know the discussion has moved on well past this point, but:

Hence why typing people based entirely on what they post here is not really any use at all.

Is the implication that most here are being deceptive in their posts?

Not at all. I meant to say that you can only get a very limited view of one's true personality from what they choose to display on a forum like this - some introverts appear very social and extraverted, some feelers appear very analytical and like thinkers, and so on and vice versa.

It's a bit like typing celebrities - you're using a very narrow view in order to try and work out what the whole picture looks like. A narrow view that they've chosen to display to the world.

And (like in writing: every piece of writing is subjective, even the most analytical), when someone makes a choice to show or not show something about themselves, then their 'personality', as it comes across to us, is altered somewhat from the truth.

If you want to call that deception, then I suppose yes, everyone is being deceptive. They have no choice.

Anyway, even if someone is very honest and open on these forums, it is still very difficult to truly determine their true type from that alone. If someone, like whatever, is deliberately exaggerating or filtering various parts of their personalities, then typing someone accurately would be next to impossible. You might have your suspicions, but nobody but the person themselves could really say for certain.

 

[Seanan]

Anyway, even if someone is very honest and open on these forums, it is still very difficult to truly determine their true type from that alone. If someone, like whatever, is deliberately exaggerating or filtering various parts of their personalities, then typing someone accurately would be next to impossible. You might have your suspicions, but nobody but the person themselves could really say for certain.

I think I'm seeing that. It is understandable but makes me sad actually. Yes, we all choose what to divulge for various reasons but it is sad when one thinks about altering their approach, etc., that would indicate type when posting. Other than the experiment you refer to, (and I wonder about that actually) I just can't fathom the reasons anyone would want to present as another type. It smacks of:: 1) toying with others or 2) major insecurity... or both. I don't think about type at all when I post. I'm thinking about the subject I'm replying to and not presentation as any particular type. He##, I don't even know the types very well... that's why I'm here. But then, authenticity and, consequent, trust/mistrust are major issues with me. Its something I strive for irl and am comfortable only with like-minded people. Yes, I'm dealing with a major issue right now.

 

[arcticangel02]

I think I'm seeing that. It is understandable but makes me sad actually. Yes, we all choose what to divulge for various reasons but it is sad when one thinks about altering their approach, etc., that would indicate type when posting. Other than the experiment you refer to, (and I wonder about that actually) I just can't fathom the reasons anyone would want to present as another type. It smacks of:: 1) toying with others or 2) major insecurity... or both. I don't think about type at all when I post. I'm thinking about the subject I'm replying to and not presentation as any particular type. He##, I don't even know the types very well... that's why I'm here. But then, authenticity and, consequent, trust/mistrust are major issues with me. Its something I strive for irl and am comfortable only with like-minded people. Yes, I'm dealing with a major issue right now.

Yeah. I believe the vast majority of people on this forum are who they say they are, and participate here without any deliberate effort to conceal or alter themselves or their type, so please don't start thinking that everyone here is being deliberately deceptive!

In this case it was just Whatever deciding to make a point, and she chose to do it this way. And yes, she was being deceptive, but certainly not in a way that was meant to be hurtful or mean-spirited.

And anyway, I find that everyone comes here for a different reason - some people want to exclusively learn about types and how they manifest and treat it in a fairly scientific manner, wheras others come to socialise and get to know the people and perhaps learn a bit about different personalities in the meantime. Some just want a bit of intelligent discussion on a wide range of topics. Many others are somewhere in between.

So... I don't even know what point I'm trying to make. Perhaps something along the lines of: don't worry too much about other people, and what they may or may not be doing. Take out of the forums what you want to take out of them, whatever that may happen to be. That's what they're here for!

 

[ThatsWhatHeSaid]

Moved ass-load of posts on intelligence to S intelligence vs. N intelligence. Trying to keep this thread more about bias and this site, rather than the great S vs. N debate.

Moved some posts about pure_mercury's type over to here.

 

[JAVO]

I didn't read this whole thread, so maybe this has already been stated, but...

The very fact that there's even a thread (indicating a suspicion) of this makes me sick to my rational and intuitive stomach. Could someone be missing the entire point of the MBTI?

In a twist of extreme irony, the likely cause for this is that some N's are not seeing the whole picture.

 

[disregard]

What are you saying Javo? I am not catching on..

Edit: Oh.. thanks Javo. I agree.

 

[ThatsWhatHeSaid]

I didn't read this whole thread, so maybe this has already been stated, but...

The very fact that there's even a thread (indicating a suspicion) of this makes me sick to my rational and intuitive stomach. Could someone be missing the entire point of the MBTI?

In a twist of extreme irony, the likely cause for this is that some N's are not seeing the whole picture.

Good point. Maybe this thread should be retitled: N-arcissism.

 

[zarc]

Good point. Maybe this thread should be retitled: N-arcissism.

Are you going to do it?

 

[Grayscale]

Fundamental Nature of the MBTI

good article on the issue...

 

[ThatsWhatHeSaid]

Are you going to do it?

Heh. Nah. Too bratty.

The problem, as I see it, isn't so much in thinking that some types are better at some tasks than others. The purpose of MBTI was to sort out people's talents and gifts. The question is what you do with those disparities. Do you get tangled in a web of judgments, or do you just accept people's differences and appreciate them?