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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    If you are going to believe that those other people aren't just in your mind (solipsism) but actually exist, than I believe one should abandon doublethink - it can only lead to false agreements which will ultimately be used to cover up problems or abuse positions of power.
    Projection?

    I'm sorry.

    I don't know. Perhaps we weren't supposed to know this. Perhaps I wasn't. Maybe I realized something wrong. Perhaps this is the hell the religious people were going on about. I do know I have the ability to turn it off when I want to. I have to...and I must do so daily in order to live in this world. Because the world is two dimensional. You either are doing something..or you aren't. Because you are living. You have the choice to not live. And perhaps it's the more logical choice. I don't know. All I know..is that I want to live. That's all. How can I un-understand what I now understand? Do I choose to not understand? Isn't that just choosing understanding...choosing a different understanding? Will that make me happy? Will that make you happy?

    And the truth is..you already made your choice. You make your choice every instant you choose to not do it. By choosing to not choose..you choose to live.
    So please don't. I'm not sure what else I can tell you.

    It is what it is.
    Do what you must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGray View Post
    People having flawed thoughts doesn't make anything contradictory.
    Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PH. View Post
    The world has two sides: object and subject. The "true" world being object and our interpretation: subject. We live in object, interact with it, see it, feel it, experience it, but everything is subjected to our view. But both are true. Some things don't leave much room for our own interpretation, such as the colour red. Yes, some see a more orange-y colour, some experience a more vivid red and some see it as a tone of grey, but we all agree that it is the same colour. So we know red is two things: it is what it is (the colour an sich) and it is an interpretation. You can't discard the interpretation, because then you'll have to be a non-thinking, non-experiencing thing. But those statements are quite contradictory, right? How can something be objective and subjective at the same time? Relativity.
    A THING (X) doesn't have any inherent properties such as objective versus subjective. A THING (X) is never objective. A THING (X) is never subjective.

    The WAY to look at/interpret the THING (X) can be done either through an objective view or a subjective view, or both.

    Infinity as a fact
    If you believe in infinity, everything is possible, even two contraditory things can be harmonious.
    Infinity is an abstract concept, it is not a fact. And, I wouldn't call infinity, inherently, a "belief" either. It's a tool to explain limits. So, I don't really understand your rationalization above.

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    The WAY to look at/interpret the THING (X) can be done either through an objective view or a subjective view, or both.
    Or neither.
    And all of the above.

    Relativity.
    Doublethink.

    Do you see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    The theory of relativity...
    the assertion that an object can do two different thing depending on where you are in relation to that object.

    How can one object do two different things?
    Is it not the same object?
    Is it not doing two different things?

    It's a paradox. Which is true? Can both be true? Does it matter? Why?
    Relativity says that apparent velocity is a function of the observer and observed, not a property of the observed.

    The object isn't doing two different things. Two different observers are creating two different results as the observer is a function of the apparent velocity. Both are true. The distance between you and me and my fridge and me are not the same. That doesn't mean that the distances are contradictory. Asking "How much distance do you have?" Or "How much velocity do you have?" are both nonsensical questions. They both require two variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGray View Post
    They both require two variables.
    What is the other variable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    Or neither.
    How can it be neither objective, or subjective or both, at the same time, relatively speaking?

    And all of the above.
    How can it be objective OR subjective OR both, at the same time, relatively speaking?

    [I'm assuming you know the definition of "OR" btw]

    Do YOU see?

    Relativity.
    Doublethink.
    Relativity does not equal doublethink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    I don't know.
    Exactly.

    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    What is the other variable?
    The observer.
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    Do YOU see?
    I do.

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