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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Dreams, If you mean "subconscious".

    If you mean "unconscious", let me hit on the head with my club . I'll show you unconscious
    Not necessarily. Initially there was "the unconscious mind" (aka the unconscious), the conscious, and the subconscious. Jung also talks about the unconscious, not subconscious. But it doesn't matter.

    But.

    What if the subconscious is conscious during sleep, and the conscious is conscious during the awake state. What if the "unconscious" is actually an altered state of consciousness? Wouldn't it be innapropriate to call it subconscious just because we don't experience it when we're awake? What if we have a world as large as our conscious world when we're asleep?

    But why would I say that?

    I mean...our brain is more active (from what we've measured) when we're asleep. Which is really confusing. Wouldn't our Consciousness have priority???

    These things are confusing.
    And the collective unconscious is even more confusing... I read that a long time ago and didn't understand shit

    The subconscious has some practical uses...like in therapy...telling people their behavioral patterns...but seriously...we can't measure anything in it...it just seems one big web of inter connected stuff...one big blob.

    In order to get a better picture of the subconscious, we need to understand sleep. Not just how it happens, but why it happens. We need to know if our minds actually store the stuff that happens throughout our lifetimes...or throws away permanently most of the stuff.

    It's not the "how" that's hard to understand ...it's the why.

    The reason for having a subconscious is quite obvious...it's like in windows when not all of your stuff appears as it's working...who would buy windows if you would see all the source code on the screen? It would be ineffective. You need a user friendly interface

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Dreams, If you mean "subconscious".

    If you mean "unconscious", let me hit on the head with my club . I'll show you unconscious
    Word associations are actually proof of our unconscious web.

    Have you ever wondered why you prefer the word subconscious to unconscious?

    It's because you associate unconscious with "hit on the head with my club", and this association isn't made in a conscious fashion. The word unconscious has a negative emotional impact, so our minds avoid anchors such as this.

    It has been proven through experiments that we have a delayed reaction to words which trigger negative affects.

    So, in the word association tests, there are many tricky words.

    For instance "mirror".

    A person who is uncomfortable with the way they look, will have a delayed response to the word mirror (seconds and milliseconds are counted)...they're supposed to give a good/bad answer.

    This was Jung's research.

    Freud did a similar research on how we oddly forget words or mix them up.

    For instance, I know this woman who's husband died in a car accident, and we have the same name...me and him. And that woman always forgets my name, she's always calling me something else, and laughs when she does it. So, even though she associates my name with something bad, she laughs.

    Our minds work in fascinating ways.

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    Fifth question: is there a risk of confirmation bias when performing active imagination?
    “To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.”—Statement from unpublished notes for the Preface to the Opticks (1704) by Newton.

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