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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    How do we know we have an unconscious?
    Not all of us know -
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    How do we know we have an unconscious?
    If you knew for certain, it wouldn't be unconscious, now would it?

    Basically, the unconscious is anything that you're not thinking about at the moment, but which exists somewhere in your mind. Something you're aware of on some level, but don't usually think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    If you knew for certain, it wouldn't be unconscious, now would it?

    Basically, the unconscious is anything that you're not thinking about at the moment, but which exists somewhere in your mind. Something you're aware of on some level, but don't usually think about.
    I'm no atheist and probably no believer but that made me think: Ah so it's like the earth and god. Some folks believe in him and speak to him, others do as they are told. Or reverted, Some folks make sure there is no god and speak to themselves, others follow them. Not that it makes any sense or has any relevance to this.

    Actually, we don't know how large the universe is but we can claim that it is expanding. It is expanding because we notice that the lengths in the universe grow and stars "fall apart". We could easily do the same thing with the consciousness but the lengths aren't between stars but between ideas and ideas we have yet to absorb/accept. We'd see it expanding but not knowing where the limit is. I want to say: It's a feeling of expanding to symbolism and knowing what is within order and what isn't but that isn't good communication.

    What you feel in synch with and what you begin to master. As you reach a new level of understanding, which almost always puts you back to square one, you feel the "new" dawn and you realize and absorb and organize and synthesize information differently. You notice in others where they are and you notice where you are and you "see" the differences as "lengths". These wavelengths display the last boundaries of knowledge of your subconscious you knew of but the current ones is where you are unaware. Thus you are expanding but not necessarily in physical space. I am unsure and this is but a hypothesis, a suggestion.
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    Wikipedia says:
    The unconscious mind might be defined as that part of the mind which gives rise to a collection of mental phenomena that manifest in a person's mind but which the person is not aware of at the time of their occurrence. These phenomena include unconscious feelings, unconscious or automatic skills, unnoticed perceptions, unconscious thoughts, unconscious habits and automatic reactions, complexes, hidden phobias and concealed desires.

    The unconscious mind can be seen as the source of night dreams and automatic thoughts (those that appear without apparent cause); the repository of memories that have been forgotten but that may nevertheless be accessible to consciousness at some later time; and the locus of implicit knowledge, i.e. all the things that we have learned so well that we do them without thinking. One familiar example of the operation of the unconscious is the phenomenon where one fails to immediately solve a given problem and then suddenly has a flash of insight that provides a solution maybe days later at some odd moment during the day.

    Observers throughout history have argued that there are influences on consciousness from other parts of the mind. These observers differ in the use of related terms, including: unconsciousness as a personal habit; being unaware and intuition. Terms related to semi-consciousness include: awakening, implicit memory, subliminal messages, trances, hypnagogia, and hypnosis. Although sleep, sleep walking, dreaming, delirium and coma may signal the presence of unconscious processes, these processes are not the unconscious mind, but more of a symptom.
    Unlike the existence of God, it's widely accepted that we have an unconscious mind - there would just be too much information to handle if our consciousness was to take care of everything. But otherwise, I think the analogy about earth and God is quite good:
    Conscious - Earth - what you can see - S
    Unconscious - God - what you can imagine - N
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    Quote Originally Posted by syndatha View Post
    Wikipedia says:


    Unlike the existence of God, it's widely accepted that we have an unconscious mind - there would just be too much information to handle if our consciousness was to take care of everything. But otherwise, I think the analogy about earth and God is quite good:
    Conscious - Earth - what you can see - S
    Unconscious - God - what you can imagine - N
    I don't agree with N and S being subconscious vs conscious functions. They are both conscious functions, how else to reflect upon them without creating madness?
    (tbh, I am not well equipped to debate this issue, it's just a notion I have and I'll come back to explain it further if you'd like to get into a discussion about it.)

    And once upon a time, the premise of god was a fact rather than something imaginary. Rather, it was still imaginary but it was an image we all believed in. Einstein's theory of general relativity wasn't believed in from the beginning because we didn't understand it but we did believe in his works about Photoelectric effect. I'm not act as if I understand either of his theories. All I am trying to say is that there's a shred of doubt upon which the world hangs and at one time or another an axiom looses or wins an understanding for the greater public.
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    Third question: To do active imagination [in Jung's sense, remember!], should we do this in front of someone trustworthy, or can it be done on one's own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    How do we know we have an unconscious?
    Dreams, If you mean "subconscious".

    If you mean "unconscious", let me hit on the head with my club . I'll show you unconscious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thisica View Post
    Third question: To do active imagination [in Jung's sense, remember!], should we do this in front of someone trustworthy, or can it be done on one's own?
    You can do it on your own. One of the theories behind therapy is that we are traumatized in relationships with other people, so the healing will only occur in relationship with someone who is there with you (like the therapist). That doesn't mean that you can't explore your subconscious alone...
    @Arclight: LOL thanks for the english lesson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thisica View Post
    Another question: how do we know that our conscious system is communicating to the unconscious? It sounds impossible, given the inaccessibility of the unconscious to our conscious selves.
    You become aware of things you weren't previously aware of. Jung's definition of the collective unconscious was a kind of experiential reservoir for the whole of humanity. New experiences-->New awareness-->Conscious of the unconscious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    You become aware of things you weren't previously aware of. Jung's definition of the collective unconscious was a kind of experiential reservoir for the whole of humanity. New experiences-->New awareness-->Conscious of the unconscious.
    Unfortunately, though, the concept of the "collective unconscious" has become mystified. Hence, another question:

    What in the internal world of humans is the "collective unconscious"?
    “To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.”—Statement from unpublished notes for the Preface to the Opticks (1704) by Newton.

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