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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    Meow. Now pet me, I feel sad. However, the rest of what I said wasn't only about that quote.
    *mouse goes give duckie a pat* Yes yes... I know and have read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    Just for the record, I find the Ni "voodoo-witchcraft-cosmic-logic" to be astoundingly cool. When I describe it as such, I mean it in the best of connotations.

    And yes, I have Ne coming out the rear. I halfway want to upload one of my lectures or something to Youtube so you can see how ridiculous it is.
    Who says voodoo is a bad thing? Have you seen the shops in the mall? I don't know if they're around at your place... but those "voodoo dolls" are quite a fad here. There's even a store that sells nothing but those. Voodoo dolls keychains... decorative items...

    As to uploading lectures.... Can you do that? It'll be great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    *mouse goes give duckie a pat* Yes yes... I know and have read it.
    *coos*

    Who says voodoo is a bad thing?
    I've been told that! That Ni is just crazy..."Voodoo." and such.. numerous times by an ENTP brat no less (nemo, yes, you'll know who! )

    As to uploading lectures.... Can you do that? It'll be great!
    Yea, I second that! I just...have such visions of how he'll be, it's not even funny at this point..I half expect him to be wearing his Maximus Prime helmet with a pipe sticking out his mouth and lots of green things attached to his body or picked up as strays from playing in nature....all the while his students are so used to it that they no longer blink anymore!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    Meow. Now pet me, I feel sad. However, the rest of what I said wasn't only about that quote.

    Edit: And no one should be watching a show involving Paula! It might cause you night terrors if you're not careful....
    Awe... it was intended to be fun.

    Sooo right... she drives me right up a wall! But I love watching those kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanan View Post
    Awe... it was intended to be fun.
    Fun or not, you were right. I find nothing wrong with owning up to it. It makes a person stronger!

    Sooo right... she drives me right up a wall! But I love watching those kids.
    I've only bothered watching the show during the preliminaries so I can laugh at the horribly atrocious people who are likely that bad believing they are great or are paid to sing/act that badly believing they are great. And honestly, I had to frickin search the name of the show. I kept thinking "America's Best ____". I'm soooooo happy I actually forgot it's American Idol... Demonic Si can be so wickedly blessful at times.

    The only "reality" show I've found enjoyable is So You Think You Can Dance. But I only started watching after a time because I feared it as I do most reality shows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    Just for the record, I find the Ni "voodoo-witchcraft-cosmic-logic" to be astoundingly cool. When I describe it as such, I mean it in the best of connotations.
    Heh, yeah, like Hercule Poirot, an INTJ if ever there was one

    And yes, I have Ne coming out the rear. I halfway want to upload one of my lectures or something to Youtube so you can see how ridiculous it is.
    No way man it's cool. Ne is the only thing that can get me public speaking. If I know what I have to say before hand, if there's expectations that I have to fulfl a certain script, I freeze and get really nervous cos I'm terrified of making a mistake and everyone knowing I got it wrong. I just suck, cos the audience can see there's no enthusiasm about it, I know I'm just going through the motions, I can't get into it; it's boring and dull to me so it is to them too.

    But if I just don't bother with the script and let the Ne flow, just say what comes to mind, then it's impossible to make a mistake cos nobody knows what I'm gonna say, not even me. And whilst I'm thinking "this is ridiculous, I'm just rambling, I'm making it up as I go", afterwards everyone tells me it was great, they love my talks, "you take the audience on a whirlwind tour of the galaxy in fifteen minutes, you get us thinking in ways we never thought possible" one person said to me. That wasn't my intention - I was just taking whatever the cosmos threw at me and showing it to them - I can't even remember what I said!!

    Anyway this is digressing isn't it? This belongs in a 'what's it like to be an intuitive' thread!!
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    1) What goes on in your mind when you're thinking? How would you describe it?


    There are always several streams of thought happening in parallel.

    • One is a stream of observations/speculations. It goes "It seems that <insert speculative observation here>." When I become more sure of my speculative observations, I often drop the "It seems that," part. This is probably my dominant stream. You can probably see it in all my posts including this one. It is at least a good candidate for my most productive.
    • Another is a "work" stream. It is not as prevalent as the other streams, as I have to put effort into making it progress and often "stall" the other streams. This one makes observations and creates logical inferences (quite different, and generally more painstaking than the "speculative observations" I mentioned above). I have to slow my thought processes down to use it, but it is almost always rewarding. Usually, I need to keep a log or at least have something to scribble on.
    • Another is a day-dream stream, where I am off in some fantasy world doing some fantasy stuff. It can be anything really, from very far-fetched things like flying on a spaceship, and making love to a beautiful woman on a deserted island, to more reality based things, like having a fake conversation with a friend of mine.
    • Another is a constant stream of desires. It goes, "I want this," "I want that," "I like this, I want more," "I don't like this, and I want it to stop," and various other thoughts like that.
    • Another is a kind of "ckecklist" that has dates and times of when I need to be somewhere and for what reason, and is constantly assessing what I am doing relative to that "checklist." It has all the dependencies built-in (and tends to be hyper-conservative/eager in creating links between what needs to happen for some thing else). This one is annoying and seems to cause a lot of stress for me.
    • Yet another is an internal monitoring stream. This one tracks any strange sensations (back pain, discomfort, dizziness, thirst, anxiety, elation, strange urges, etc.) It also tracks what my body, face etc. are doing.


    Generally the output thoughts from all my streams of thoughts are inputs to all the others.

    2) How much does logics weight in on your decisions and how much does feelings come into play? How do you determine whether you've over-thinked?

    Logic is very important. It is how I decide something. If there is no logic, there is no decision. period. I have no choice in this matter.

    That of-course doesn't mean there is no action. You could claim that I am making thousands of "decisions" when I drive or walk or do other things like this, but I believe this stretches the word "decision" rather thinly. When I play sports, a lot of things come naturally-- fake-outs, taking a shot, etc. But this is not the same as "decision making." At a lot of times in games I do make conscious decisions, but even these are based on logic. "He favors driving to the right so will force him to try to drive to the right, etc."

    Logic requires models to function. The accuracy and efficacy of the models determine how well I make decisions. These models take emotions(both mine and others') into account.

    "Over-think" is a phrase I hate. As far as I am concerned, I never over-think things. When someone accuses me of "over-thinking," I have to fight down a strange urge to punch the person. (Please don't take offense, it is just an urge, and you have not accused me of anything).

    Still, I have a policy of using the simplest model that will work. Sometimes, I will choose a model that is too simplistic and gets me into trouble. At other times, I will choose a model that is too complicated to get timely conclusions from. This is when people accuse me of "over-thinking" things. That's how I know that someone believes I am "over-thinking" things--they tell me (at their own risk ).

    3) How easily can you go through the steps you've taken to arrive at a conclusion? Is it automatic? Or does it involve some translation to get it into a form understandable by others?

    I can go through my steps fairly easily, and fairly automatically to myself. However, significant translation is required to make it understandable by others.

    4) Anything else you feel like sharing.

    Not at the moment.

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    1) What goes on in your mind when you're thinking? How would you describe it?
    Not sure how to describe it, really.

    2) How much does logics weight in on your decisions and how much does feelings come into play? How do you determine whether you've over-thinked?

    I've always thought of logic and feelings as occupying two different realms of decision making. Feeling will give me long-term goals, like "I want to be a chemist," or "I want to improve my friendship with X, Y, and Z," or "I want to have children someday." Logic will then tell me how to achieve one of those objectives in a way that won't interfere with any of the others. Or with my sense of morality, natch.

    I also think of there being two types of feelings-- there are some, like the ones above, that are very stable and pretty much unchanging. These are feelings that should be listened to, that should guide me throughout my life. The other type of feeling is the short-duration sort, impulses which tell me things like "This class is hard, I want to quit," or "I'm scared to meet new people," or "This guy's a jackass, I should tell him so." Those feelings are stupid, and I mean that in the most direct sense possible-- they do not take the future into account, and will disappear in a few short hours/days/months, leaving me with the consequences of having acted on them. So, I disregard them whenever they have a conflict with my long-term feelings. (Of course, sometimes the impulses are correct, but that's not their fault-- remember the stopped clock.) I don't succeed in suppressing those impulses all the time, but it's a rule I try to live by.

    I always know when I've over-thought something because I'll keep going back to the same line of reasoning over and over.

    3) How easily can you go through the steps you've taken to arrive at a conclusion? Is it automatic? Or does it involve some translation to get it into a form understandable by others?

    I've found it pretty easy to translate my thoughts into words. In fact, I find it useful to do so even when I don't have to communicate-- it's much easier to see gaps in your reasoning when you've put the whole train of logic all down on paper. So most of the time, in explaining something to another person I'll have already thought out the words necessary just in the course of understanding it for myself.

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    Cold; clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortabunt View Post
    Cold; clear.
    Does this look cold and clear to you?



    Cold and clear is a misconception, a failed stereotype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    Does this look cold and clear to you?



    Cold and clear is a misconception, a failed stereotype.
    That's a fuzzy wuzzy ENTP if I do say so myself

    I think he meant Ti or Te isolated is cold. A T isn't limited to one function and so can be fuzzy wuzzy like.
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