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    So here's what I want to know (inspired by the Mock Emotions thread):

    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?
    For me, it's as if I'm constantly lying down on a beach: I'm consciously aware that it's low tide and safe at the moment albeit I'm blissfully ignorant as to when high tide will wash over me entirely.

    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?
    Yes/No. I try to balance my feeling with some grounding in order to perceive the given situation across as many contexts as possible. From weighing my options out, I don't feel as if I made a poor decision even if it's (in actuality) illogical.

    3) How does the feeling translate into action?

    I should do this or I need to do this - I must do this. As to why? It's right. Why? Because I know. How? I don't know.

    4) Anything else you feel like sharing.

    I'm rather envious of T's expressing their feelings; they always appear raw, unfiltered and pure.
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    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?

    Sometimes I find my feelings/emotions very difficult to describe, but I'm usually as honest as I can be about them when I talk about them. I try to express how I experience them as well as I can. When I talk about a feeling I've had or try to explain to somehow how I feel I try to become very aware of my body and my mind and just everything that is going on. But because a feeling can be sometimes very hard to articulate, I'll often have difficulties talking about them anyway. I experience them as they are though. Does this make any sense?

    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?

    Yea I guess so, most of the time. I do trust my emotions. Sometimes I have emotions that don't trust certain emotions. It's lots of fun. I live my life so subjectively it's hard to say that a situation is clouded by my personal feelings. If I feel they are though (again, it's all a feeling) then I kind of try to distance things and look at things in a different perspective.

    3) How does the feeling translate into action?
    Just about everything I feel translates into an action. Um... maybe I don't get this question. I mean, I think all my actions are driven by a feeling, but feelings can stop me from action too. Feeling is just there, whatever I'm doing.

    4) Anything else you feel like sharing. I'm just a T, so I'm not even sure how to word all this in F language.

    I'm not even sure what T and F language is. I'm pretty sure by now that I'm an INFP but the first times I took the MBTI test online and still sometimes today I get INTP ... the very first time I got ISTP, so I don't even know how to judge between F and T sometimes. Sometimes they seem so integrated or situational. I kind of think that in a way I adapt my thoughts and logical thinking into feelings. Or that I actually have some kind of issue with my feelings and suppress them with rationality. I don't know if these responses helped. I get confused myself so easily ...

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    My god, it would take me hours to read through this thread now, which is sad since I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of insight into how everyone works, especially fellow 'feelers'.

    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?
    It's rare when I actually discuss my own emotions, and I usually don't need to, since they're usually very obvious. My feeling, though not entirely separate by any means, are based off what I've always termed empathy, and they are heavily dependent -- or at least heavily influenced -- by my environment. I recognized this process in myself well before I knew what Extraverted Feeling was.

    I'm constantly aware of my emotions, whether or not I'm paying attention to them, but that doesn't mean I'm terribly apt talking about them because they're often at the mercy of my Feeling, by which they are most often guided.
    To personify it, Feeling is a hyperactive, fickle, and none-too-bright extravert who informs me of things by way of screaming in my face. If there's no thought to guide it, it ends up dragging me down to the darkest depths of despair, or shooting my emotions skyward to short-lived euphoria, all potentially in a matter of seconds, and mostly based on what's going on around me.

    Of course, it can occasionally decide that the trusty codger, Thought, the quiet, mystical iNtution, or the trickster Extraverted Sensing have provided it something worthy of reacting to, and it will again slam me.

    With all of that going on it can become extremely difficult to discuss my emotions. However, I can discuss someone else's with great ease. Hell, I can usually tell them what they're feeling (or, rather, emoting) before they know themselves. Problematic.

    Here's an example of how a conversation may go between me, someone else, and Fe itself:

    Someone Else: "How are you feeling right now?"
    Me: [thrown for a loop] "Uh....
    Hey, Fe? How am I fee—"
    Fe: BLAAAAAARGHRAGHFJWAKKA HAHAH, ASS[etc. cussing] FWARHGTH!
    Me: "Nevermind, Someone Else, let's talk about your feelings — I can tell you're really in a bad mood. Fe won't shut the f-ck up about it."
    Someone Else: "...You're a crazy-ass [mean woman synonym]."

    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?
    Whoa whoa, that's three separate questions.

    First, yes. But that doesn't mean much, and if I answer with just that, it doesn't give the whole story. I trust Fe, but I don't always trust the crazy ideas that it can generate if Ti and Ni decide to let it knock them for a loop. In other words, Fe has the potential to adversely affect their functioning; it can influence Ti easily, making it 'panic' from the emotions, thus generating rather paranoid ideas, while Ni is awash in the emotions, temporarily drowned and creating all sorts of potentially goofy sh!t.

    Furthermore, if I just put a gag on Fe and give it time out, I'll pay a price. Eventually, it's not going to let itself be hindered anymore and break loose, usually after I've been 'brooding' over a situation with Ni and Ti, who inadvertently feed too much to Fe. I can often trust Ni, but Fe makes me go ballistic. Sure, it may be feeling something legitimate, but it can get out of control directing my emotions.

    Second, emotions aren't anything more than the reaction my brain's perception has to the environment. Thus, my emotions are only as trustworthy as the input driving them. Thing is, I usually trust my perceptions, and by extension, my emotions.

    God, I hope I make sense with all of this.

    Thirdly, I think I answered that with what I answered to the first of those three questions.

    3) How does the feeling translate into action?
    Again, I think I answered that within 2. Best I can tell, Fe drives me by grabbing at my environment and feeding Ni and, to a lesser extent, Ti, and being a weird buddy with Se (I have an XSFP side that can be pretty strong at times). All these functions are part of how I perceive the world around me, and so whatever they're doing creates an emotional reaction, mostly thanks to Fe.

    I'm in touch with Fe pretty strongly, and the result is that less emotionally 'in-tune' people call me 'overemotional,' 'unstable,' and 'spastic'. Funny thing is, other Feelers I know think I'm too stable and rational, at least at points because of my constant love-affairs on the side with Ti. I can't win.

    4) Anything else you feel like sharing. I'm just a T, so I'm not even sure how to word all this in F language.
    I have often felt I'm cursed with all of my Feeling. I've never liked being as empathic as I am, feeling other's pains and suffering. I am overly sensitive to the 'emotions' of my environment, which can be overwhelming or stifling at times. All of that may be a big part of the reason I've developed my Thinking so much, but it's quiet and internal, like am intimate friend I talk to and confide in about intellectual meanderings.

    In the winter I will have a lull in Fe and Se, and essentially become Ni, Ti, and to a lesser extent Fi. I'm sure that sounds like bullsh-t, but it can be heavenly at first. Then, as time goes on, I don't know what to do without Fe and become increasingly lost and introverted -- 'schizoid,' actually. It's then I realize I can't function without it.

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    I'm a T, but I can answer these.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?
    I'm pretty sure that Ts and Fs experience emotions in the same way. It's a human characteristic.
    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?
    of course Fs don't always "go on" their feelings, and Ts aren't emotion-less robots. (seawolf?)

    Isn't feeling that emotions are untrustworthy a contradiction in terms? A feeler would have to use a more empirical rationale to determine whether feelings are reliable....hence the perceiving functions. (which coincidentally, Ts can use to determine whether thinking is reliable)
    3) How does the feeling translate into action?
    I feel hungry so I'm going to eat?
    I don't wanna!

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    I'm pretty sure that Ts and Fs experience emotions in the same way. It's a human characteristic.
    This doesn't seem particularly accurate to me. My INTP doesn't seem to experience his emotions at all in the same way I do (mild alexithymia). Hell, even my INFP doesn't seem to. Emotional experience is, I'm sure, not just constrained by personality type, but many other factors.

    Emotions are a reaction, but a person can certainly react to their emotions. Reaction is individual and based on many factors, and the outcome would be a different experience. This may sound nit-picky, but when I'm around people it actually comes across as fairly blatant differences, even if their base emotions are all very similar.

    I wish I were better at explaining things, this is damn frustrating.

    Isn't feeling that emotions are untrustworthy a contradiction in terms? A feeler would have to use a more empirical rationale to determine whether feelings are reliable.
    This is the point I was trying to get across. Feeling is on its own, only my Ni and Ti (especially) can give me information about Fe. Fe isn't terribly informative, after all. I have to 'control' it with Ni and Ti.

    I feel hungry so I'm going to eat?
    I don't know about everyone else, but hunger is a compulsion for me, not an emotion. :D

    The statement could be, "I'm pissed off so I'm going to go bash that woman in the face twenty times." Now that's the way I experience it.

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    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?

    Well, my feelings are very constant and stable, they only ever fluctuate over long periods of time, or possibly during a significant event. Feelings are the things that tell me what's inspirational or important, what's worth defending, what I should do in certain situations, and what I should do with my life overall. Very few things are more important to me than my feelings. The things that are more important I call ideals, and they were set in place by my feelings anyway. I think ideals are there to keep me stable when my emotions flux. My emotions being very inconsistent, unstable, and temporary. Emotions give me quick rushes like drugs, they react strongest around feelings. So, if I have strong feelings for a particular ideal, and someone attacks it, anger surges, if I come closer to achieving it, happiness surges. Basically my feelings inspire emotions to protect themselves.

    I'm pretty sure everyone experiences emotions the same way, but feelings differently.

    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?

    I always go on my feelings, they are the closest thing to my identity.

    My emotions are rarely trustworthy, they are primitive and need overriding on a regular basis. Normally logic comes in to save my ideals and feelings from emotions that will ruin them.

    My situations are completely controlled by my feelings, so they create the situations I guess, at least the important ones. However, my emotions always cloud situations, which is where logic and certain defensive ideals come in to control me.

    3) How does the feeling translate into action?

    Feelings create ideals, ideals create emotions, emotions cause motions. Logic and other ideals all step in to part two to stop me from doing something stupid.

    4) Anything else you feel like sharing. I'm just a T, so I'm not even sure how to word all this in F language.

    I have no idea how to word it either. The above is my attempt at doing so.

    Instincts (hunger, sex, sleep, possibly fear) are normally an opposing force, they fight against my feelings. Which every one is strongest wins.

    During strong bouts of feelings, getting all close and connected to an ideal, I feel a self, I also get a large amount of self control. During strong bouts of emotions, I lose a sense of self, and become a force. I don't know exactly what this means, except it emphasises how feelings are my identity, emotions are merely tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?
    There can be a dichotomy to them. There is both a sense of important meaning and a repetitive trap. They can inspire growth and create roadblocks. They can instill a sense of appreciation and frustration. They are a strength when they produce understanding of self and others which leads to growth and inspiration. They are a weakness when they reinforce negative thought patterns and create an undue sense of neediness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?
    Feelings are not always trustworthy, but the problem is that they tend to be experienced as reliable in the moment they are felt. This is the core of deep inner conflict. Feelings are a source of information and can bring enlightened understanding of oneself and others. They can also create tunnel vision and blindness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    3) How does the feeling translate into action?
    I see Feeling as an important factor to consider when choosing an action. The Feeling limitations and consequences of that action figure into the reasoning. For example, if I interact with a particular person whose perspective is distorted by their subjective view, I may or may not press them towards more rationality based on my sense of that view. I attempt to glimpse their distorted lens. Correct thinking can produce a desired state of being like peace, but a sense of peace can also produce more correct thinking. As someone who leans towards Feeling, my instinct is to first quiet the person or situation from a Feeling perspective before addressing issues of Thinking and objectivity. My impression is that the Thinker will press the individual towards increased reason with the assumption it will produce the desired subjective, individual state of mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    4) Anything else you feel like sharing. I'm just a T, so I'm not even sure how to word all this in F language.
    My understanding of F vs. T is that reasoning based on Feeling focuses on the subjective, inner experience of being human which necessarily places more importance on emotions themselves. Thinking takes a more objective approach, more detached from that personal, distorted sense of reality. T works towards allowing external reality to shape understanding. It values reasoning that can apply regardless of differences in individual vantage points. Feeling focuses more on those individual vantage points as a way of understanding reality. One way a Feeler can broaden their thinking beyond personal distortions is to spend energy understanding, from a deep and empathetic perspective, the distortions of others. By experiencing and understanding what the world looks like through a variety of distorted lenses, we can learn to not take our own distortions to be so absolute. Even with the broadened perspective, the Feeler can benefit from the perspective of the Thinker who perhaps strives to understand the world through the most correct, undistorted lens. A Feeler can reason into a nihilistic view that such a perfect lens cannot exist. A Thinker can perhaps more readily glimpse the clarity of such a lens and can sense the importance of striving towards it.
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    1) When you talk about feelings/emotions, how do you experience them?
    I don't think I could entirely answer that question, since I only really feel comfortable talking about Fe specifically. My Feelings are directly affected by those around me, and so I spend a good deal of time trying to make sure everyone around me is feeling well and happy. If not, I can effectively go in and help them solve their problem. People go through gloomy times on a weekly basis, and the only solid cure for those moments in our life is the feeling that someone else is willing to listen, understand, and care.

    2) Do you always go on your feelings? Do you feel that your emotions are "trustworthy?" Do you ever feel like your view of a situation is clouded by your personal feelings?
    I could never always go on my feelings or I would just be letting everyone in the world a free jab to my face. I never consider my emotions entirely trustworthy. I would say that I like to hide my feelings and ponder over them internally to make sure that what I feel makes sense. Having someone show me that what I feel is illogical comes across as harsh criticism to me and makes me feel ignorant, so I like to make sure I can back up my emotions/feelings with some degree of sound logic.

    3) How does the feeling translate into action?
    As I mentioned, I can give you the answer from my Fe perspective. I want everyone around me to be happy and to be the best they can be, but since I am introverted I can really only do that on a one-to-one basis. I make stable connections with lots of people since I am a RA at my University's Residence Hall, but I only deeply connect with a couple of people. However, I like to make sure every other person I meet knows that I am approachable and I don't mind helping friends out as long as it is within reason.

    4) Anything else you feel like sharing. I'm just a T, so I'm not even sure how to word all this in F language.
    Many MBTI books say that T's weigh out the pros and cons and choose their answer based on that. I think what makes me different from a T is that I never play that kind of game with people. I personally believe that people are always the most important factor when making any decision. However, I have learned that sometimes you can't always be considerate of other people and that you must be modest with your feelings. No matter how pure you intentions, some people don't hesitate to use them to their advantage.
    I can easily see the value of any F learning to use their Thinking abilities more, but sometimes I fear that T's don't see the value in using their Feeling abilities more.
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    I can perhaps give an intellectual account of what its like to be an F, but I doubt this shall be satisfactory.

    So in short, I could say all I understand is that I don't understand, but I have a great deal of admiration for the INF inner life and outlook on the world, especially that of INFP. Tough world out there to be taken this personally. It is certainly an onerous burden to undertake doing so.

    Both in my personal life and in literature, I often dont understand their ways and what they have to offer to me, yet I always listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing
    Tough world out there to be taken this personally.
    Taking things personally is more a mark of being ruled by one's ego. As an INFP matures emotionally, he or she will feel less disrupted by the emotional climate of his or her environment, and will easily adopt a detached, harmonious point-of-view when it would prove beneficial to the circumstance.

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