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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    That's it, in a nutshell. It's like semi-paranoid foresight.
    thank you both. helps enormously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    thank you both. helps enormously.
    It does? *looks shifty*

    Try this paranoia on for size: I'm sceptical of people who say they understand me (or, generically, INTJs). Perhaps they do understand. In fact, probably they do. But that's not what I mean when I say "understand". I use the word "understand" because understanding is what I seek. But I take it for granted (or for preferred outcome) that if someone says they understand me, it means, to put it bluntly, they're going to do what I say suggest or they're going to back off. That's what they'd do if they "understood."

    Being solved like a puzzle is hardly an interesting or even remotely pleasing event. But if someone works out what I'm doing and makes some choice about joining in with it as I've prepared it (or has the sense to back off and get out of the way), that's hot.


    ^ aspirational Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    It does? *looks shifty*
    yes. it does. i'm interested in identifying patterns as well as unraveling puzzles. and what i'm finding here is a pretty consistent pattern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Being solved like a puzzle is hardly an interesting or even remotely pleasing event. But if someone works out what I'm doing and makes some choice about joining in with it as I've prepared it (or has the sense to back off and get out of the way), that's hot.
    maybe uninteresting to you. definitely pleasing for others. once you figure out the rules of the game, yeah: join in or bow out. but that's where the fun begins because the playing field just got much much more level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    maybe uninteresting to you. definitely pleasing for others.
    Don't rule out the aspirational Se. Along with the very obvious Te it actually does mean that understanding leads to action. Or is meant to. An INTJ being fully himself will actually eventually expect to *do something*. More importantly, do something of his own design.

    once you figure out the rules of the game, yeah: join in or bow out. but that's where the fun begins because the playing field just got much much more level.
    Actually, I'd go with a no, there. One can fairly easily figure out some puzzle. It's a whole 'nother story as to whether one would actually not be grossed out at even thinking of supporting the completion of that puzzle. Or worse, merely bored.


    ^ the ENFP-INTJ fail point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Don't rule out the aspirational Se. Along with the very obvious Te it actually does mean that understanding leads to action. Or is meant to. An INTJ being fully himself will actually eventually expect to *do something*. More importantly, do something of his own design.
    right on time. care to elaborate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Actually, I'd go with a no, there. One can fairly easily figure out some puzzle. It's a whole 'nother story as to whether one would actually not be grossed out at even thinking of supporting the completion of that puzzle. Or worse, merely bored.

    ^ the ENFP-INTJ fail point.
    but that's precisely the point. maybe some of us have an appetite for offal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Don't rule out the aspirational Se. Along with the very obvious Te it actually does mean that understanding leads to action. Or is meant to. An INTJ being fully himself will actually eventually expect to *do something*. More importantly, do something of his own design.
    p.s. that. is hot.
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    I don't know, but apparently some of them want to implant microchips under our skin like pets.

    Beware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Stopped reading a while back to stew on this walls nonsense, et voila, it's time to generalise.

    As we all know, INTJs have walls to protect their gooey inner core. And these walls are easy to see through. (*cough* spits on the ground, doesn't say "retards" just yet.)

    You are of course all aware of what this means for other types, right? Let's say, ENFPs. The general point about INTJ walls is the real person is located in the tertiary area. So... ENFPs.... you guys have intensity and authenticity. That's to say, an overemphasis on the importance of highly personalised reaction. You use it to protect and justify your real identity, that of squealing truth demander.

    INTJs see through your sensitivity. We recognise your attempts order the world. The charm lies in just how gauche the rules of politeness and attempts at adequacy become.



    Because I mean, realy, who ever does anything good with their auxiliary function, right? Frankly, who ever does anything with their dominant function. If we truly laid out what INTJs and ENFPs see in one another, what would it look like?

    INTJ: Ni (Wut?) over Te (LOL, walls!) over Fi (D'aww) over Se (that's disgusting).
    vs
    ENFP: Ne (God, really?) over Fi (Yes, lets be all inner world and insular) over Te (and smack people if they don't) over Si (wut, it has to be this way, again?)




    The entire purpose of Jungian typology is to understand that other people are different. They aren't just like you but not as good.
    Your descriptions are so epic and spot on.

    What concerns me about "the gooey center" is trying to crack the shell and failing, or believing something fluffy inside...just isn't. Like the shell breaks, and LOL NOTHING IS INSIDE. It's like some fucked up art house film.

    That can be dangerous - or let me stop being dramatic - simply time-wasting and emotionally painful wishful thinking.

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    I can try to show how it would work with INTJ and INFJ...

    INTJ: Ni (Yay! You get it!), Te (That wasn't very nice! Bully! ... It sure was effective, though.), Fi (Wow, you're so sensitive. LOL, you're joking, right? Umm, go back to Te mode. Please? I can't help you when you're like this), Se (I get like that sometimes. I don't know why, and I don't really like that about myself, but I do.)

    INFJ: Ni (You get it. I knew there was more to you.), Fe (Why do you go along with this fake stuff? Can't you ever just be direct? ... Well, okay, I guess it DOES work better, sometimes. It seems so dirty, though.), Ti (Ironic that they call ME a heartless bastard. I may be a lot of things, but at least I'm not an intellectual coward, and I own my feelings.), Se (Yes, it's the bane of our existence, yet also the key to our growth.)

    Note that the reactions tilted towards the negative end... the reactions aren't always so negative, but I think that's the gist of how we end up feeling about one anothers processing. The outcome might be different with an INTJ who doesn't see Fe/Ti as lacking integrity.

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