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    I think there's a difference between INTJ with enneagram 8 (or other) and INTJ with enneagram 5. My roommate is an INTJ e5... he's sort of a mouse. An apathetic or moderately depressed and incredibly cynical mouse.

    I actually wanted to post a thread about that, but maybe here is appropriate as well?? Since we're talking about the dark side of INTJ's. My roommate said that he hates the way his mind works because he's too analytical about everything and doesn't think people will find him interesting or fun. He thinks he's too serious, but has no desire to let up either.

    It makes me kind of sad.
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    set up an INTJ e5 supprt group?... actually, if they where more common, that would be pretty cool...I wonder if it would even work though... I guess everybody likes meeting people who are of a similar mind set... but i dont know if there would be enough in any one given area to form a support group...

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    haha. i actually tried to do that... i tried to connect him to other INTJ's on the web and sent him a link to INTJforum.com or whatever it is. he had no interest.

    is 5 more rare for INTJ's?
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    I have no idea, but I assume looking for an INTJ, then on top of that an e5, there has to be a smaller pool of them in the world than just INTJ's all together... from what ive been reading, INTJ e5 or e8 seem kind of common, but I dunno, thats just what ive gathered lately while reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    but the challenge i find is that, the more frightened an INT is, the more obstacles they throw in the way to understanding them, and therefore making sense to one another. i can make a lot of sense when i am presented with coherent data. INTs are often slippery and don't want to *seem* coherent. my question is: are you really looking for someone to unravel the semantic puzzles? or you just throw them out there when dealing with people against whom you want to protect yourself?
    Both, we will sometimes put them out there when we want to protect ourselves. However, we will also put them out there as a 'test' to see if a potential friend/partner is capable of understanding and discombobulating us. We know as well as anyone how awkward we can be; we have difficulty with directness, unlike the ISTJ, so we need to make sure those we hold close understand the face saving messages we often lace our nonsense with and that this isn't simply viewed as such irrelevant drivel by the other as to make it impossible.

    Most frequently ENFPs complain about this lack of directness, the only real coping strategy is to calm us down and make us feel nice and safe and show that the smokescreen is ineffective often enough that our brain gets the message.

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    no wonder so many INTs i know like role playing games. getting to their hearts is like a level 60 in WOW.
    That's so November 2004.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curator View Post
    I have no idea, but I assume looking for an INTJ, then on top of that an e5, there has to be a smaller pool of them in the world than just INTJ's all together... from what ive been reading, INTJ e5 or e8 seem kind of common, but I dunno, thats just what ive gathered lately while reading.
    The vast majority (95%+) of INTJs fall into 2 categories. The 1w2s - The Advocate or a confused messed up jumble of 5w6 - The Problem Solver, 6w5 - The Defender and 8w7 - The Maverick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Most INTJs fall into 2 categories. The perfectionist 1s or a messed up jumble of 5w6, 6w5 and 8w7.
    ah, thanks, I hadn't seen any mention of 1 yet, so thats interesting to know, if you had to guess at a type, which do you think is probably most common?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curator View Post
    ah, thanks, I hadn't seen any mention of 1 yet, so thats interesting to know, if you had to guess at a type, which do you think is probably most common?
    5w6

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    ah, thanks for the info, would you consider it very rare for an INTJ to be a type e9w8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curator View Post
    ah, thanks for the info, would you consider it very rare for an INTJ to be a type e9w8?
    Yes, I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    poor things. do you INTs know anything about the protection other people have to use just to have you in our lives? you require so much goddamn patience, hand-holding and coddling just to get near you.
    None of my closest people ever complained about such things; with people who REALLY matter to me, I go out of my way to interact with them. It used to take a lot more conscious effort, but for the past few years it's been getting more and more effortless.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    but the challenge i find is that, the more frightened an INT is, the more obstacles they throw in the way to understanding them, and therefore making sense to one another. i can make a lot of sense when i am presented with coherent data. INTs are often slippery and don't want to *seem* coherent. my question is: are you really looking for someone to unravel the semantic puzzles? or you just throw them out there when dealing with people against whom you want to protect yourself?
    For me, I rarely think in terms of "protecting" myself from someone else... more like disengaging from people whom I'm not particularly interested in building solid relationships with. Besides, Coriolis already articulated my thoughts on this issue very well:

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    As I mentioned, I tend not to do this to people with whom I have an ongoing relationship of any substance. If I did, however, it would be for good reasons, and I would have already accounted for the possibility that I might be held to account for it (the "worst case scenario" idea). If it really is someone I respect or care about, I will level with them and explain why I played my informational cards as I did. If it is someone else, I will find some way to deflect or defuse the situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    anyway, i don't think most INTs give a rat's ass if anyone shows genuine interest in them. some might file it away + put you in the "Maybe" chum bucket.
    This is true for me. I don't know if I can speak on other INT's behalf, though.

    Being genuinely interested in me just isn't enough; for the most part, I need to be genuinely interested in the other person as well in order to appreciate that person's genuine interest in me. It makes little sense to me to open up to someone just because he/she is genuinely interested in me.

    Also, I usually don't feel compelled to share my innermost thoughts, even with the people I hold dear. That's not because I'm protecting my squishy core, god forbid, but because I "share with purpose." It's quite rare for me to share information about myself just for the sake of sharing or nurturing a relationship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You asked later about being known and accepted. This is important to me, but only in reference to those few people closest to me, like my SO, or best friend. These people took months, even years, to earn my trust and respect such that I am willing to let them see parts of me that are hidden from pretty much everyone else.
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