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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    I don't know if this is the same thing or not, but I cant stand watching say...someone negotiating the sale of a car. Other people in arguments, where the point is clearly being missed, not represented properly, or the communication is just not happening and people aren't listening to each other.

    Witnessing these types of interactions drive me up the wall, much with the same type of reaction you have described. It is absolutely fingernails on a chalkboard.

    Sometimes I will step in and say something, if I have no authority to do so, I have to stop listening because of how worked up and tense I can get.
    Makes you want to slap them in the face, doesn't it? And I'm not a violent person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_World_As_Will View Post
    Perhaps don't hold such high expectations for pundits, their job is to talk and give commentary, I don't think logical consistency or argumentation comes with the job.
    Well, but it does. It's just that we're so used to their illogic that we see it as okay, as part of the job; but really, as public sources of information and opinions, they have a civil responsibility to try and make sense. That they don't, therefore, will always be egregious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Sounds like class action lawsuit material. Now whom do we sue?
    Indeed, but the problem is far too large and we cannot sue the universe. It's far better to fire logic lasers of doom at our targets and hope that eventually makes some progress or at least that it does not get us slapped to the other side of the room with illogical flames of fury.

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    Escapism.



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    Come to think of it, the past few days have been one big Ti headache for me.

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    Elaborate, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    There seems to be something, let us call it the Ti headache, that makes you cringe and go up the walls when somebody uses an abusive quantity of logical fallacies in his or her argumentation.
    I personally got an overdose of this today listening to a round of pundits on tv discuss the future political and economic developement of Egypt. What made me want to throw something at the screen was not that, naturally, I disagreed with some of the positions taken, but rather that so much of the argumentation of just about everybody at the table - including those I was mostly in agreement with - was based on false comparisons and premature conclusions. They were comitting just about every sin in the debating manual.

    In a face to face debate with somebody you can address these things. But what if you are the passive receiver (reader, tv/radio audience) of something like this? Besides the obvious, changing channels and trying to forget about it, are there any strategies one could use? How do you deal with the almost physical pain it causes? I'm not only referring to political commentary but to any sort of Ti rape that so often causes this sort of headache. Experiences? Suggestions? Solidarity at least? *attempts puppy dog eyes*
    Ive not figured out what else to do other than turning it off or closing the book/blog/etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    In a face to face debate with somebody you can address these things. But what if you are the passive receiver (reader, tv/radio audience) of something like this? Besides the obvious, changing channels and trying to forget about it, are there any strategies one could use? How do you deal with the almost physical pain it causes? I'm not only referring to political commentary but to any sort of Ti rape that so often causes this sort of headache. Experiences? Suggestions? Solidarity at least? *attempts puppy dog eyes*
    Yes, that kind of thing makes me want to rip my eyes out. You've got to let it out. If you can't do that face-to-face, find another outlet. Spelling out the logical inconsistencies in some sort of public forum helps me feel better, and solidarity is Ti-headache codeine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Makes you want to slap them in the face, doesn't it? And I'm not a violent person.
    Yes it does. It's terrible but I often feel an urge to become violent. *bag over head*

    I experience this frequently--far too frequently--with my ex and my niece (I live with both of them). I mean things just completely break down. What they say to me makes no sense and...and...ah--I'm getting a headache just remembering some of these exchanges. It just makes no sense and I short-circuit my mind by trying to make sense of the nonsense. I try to escape in my headphones and a glass of wine. I'm going to end up hurting myself in frustration!

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