i wasnt talking about INTJ profile, i wanted to show you this effect, so that you could see that she said general thing about people, but you applied it to you and your type, even tho it can be applied to pretty much anyone
"Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
— C.G. Jung
its not an INTJ thing to get those feelings in that sort of situation, its an human thing.
True, but I'll deal with that situation by going out and learning something new and taking classes or volunteering for some charity that fully supports my moral beliefs, unlike INTJs who will go around fixing stuff that doesn't work properly and making it efficient.
And I'll feel that way when I've mastered the subjects that had my interest for some time and when my emotional relationship with my So is not in need of work but has gotten perhaps a bit stale and stuck in a rut, as those are my goals in life, only to then find a new passion to delve into and a new way to engage him and grow together as a couple.
Have you ever felt as though you were living the wrong life?
Yes. Many times before. It might be an INTJ thing.
Originally Posted by Satine
Sounds like you had your head rule your heart..not uncommon for an INTJ, but sometimes it means that you take a turn and ignore things that your heart truly could've enjoyed, something that would've given you a purpose, fulfilment and even happiness. However..it could also be that..well, since you're INTJ, you like to fix things. With things going smoothly in every area, you've achieved what you've set out: to conquer a life for yourself, on every area. But INTJs relish in fixing things...to then hand over and have someone else maintain them, so they can fix and conquer the next challenge
It would appear you need a new challenge in your life, that it has become too efficient and smooth to be anywhere near what you need. Ironically, you've just achieved everything you've ever set out to do, you should be feeling pretty good about yourself..but that doesn't take away that nagging need to *fix* things, especially when there is still so much to fix and conquer in this world..and several others
So perhaps, you could combine that need with the search for something that fills your heart with joy
Very good response.
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more like wrong place and wrong time. never really wrong life.
i just have to make it work within the actual time i'm in. like there
will be moments where i'm like alright i'll suck it up in order
to co-exist with the rest of the world. but it's always about "timing"
for me, kairos man. i'll always love what i'm doing even though
it just doesn't make sense at the time. but it fucking will. the
process of making it happen keeps me going. so fun.
like i feel william burroughs just waiting for the right moment to draw
my gun at a shoot out in the good the bad and the ugly. equal parts
excited, equal parts focused, but always at my own time. maybe
that's why i really love watching westerns. cowboys. bang bang.
every normal man must be tempted, at times,
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin slitting throats.
First, thank you to everyone who has replied. It is interesting that others have had similar thoughts crop up.
Originally Posted by Litvyak
Is "progress toward professional goals" the same as "progress toward personal goals"? Are these two different? Did you achieve success in both, or maybe only in the former? Are your personal goals dictated by yourself, or external factors?
Professional and personal goals are different. The first involves education, career, even hobbies or other areas of skill and ability; the second involves relationships. And yes, I consider myself successful in both, though the second still comes rather as a surprise. My personal goals are dictated by myself. I have always been strongly resistant to external factors.
Originally Posted by Litvyak
- It seems to me that, after stating your question, you almost immediately started to explain how you have a "good life", as if you wanted to convince somebody (yourself?) on the fact that "it's not that bad" to lessen the need for change (post-rationalizing).
I made a point of describing my life as good because I don't want people to think that the perspective I am experiencing is caused by some obvious source of disappointment, like being stuck in a boring job or an unsatisfying relationship, or having some serious regret. That is what makes it at times seem foolish. I feel as though I am whining to myself when nothing is wrong, because nothing IS wrong, except the feeling that something is wrong. (Is that circular enough?)
Originally Posted by Litvyak
- Do you already know the answer to your question? Is the systematic approach always the best? Do you have enough RL experiences to make a quality distinction between the life you currently lead, and the life you might want to lead ("My real life is the better life")?
Not only do I not know the answer to the question, I am not sure I even know the question. For me, the systematic approach is often best for implementation, but rarely for getting answers, especially on topics like this. I do have enough experience to assess the relative merits of my life, that is part of what makes this both odd and frustrating.
I know the alternative that lurks in the shadows is worse, in some significant ways. It is a version of "there but for the grace of God go I", except I wonder in all earnestness sometimes whether I should have gone there. Whether there is an upside that would have more than compensated for the obvious downside; whether it would simply have been a better fit for me. My real life, however rewarding and successful, just seems so draining to sustain at times.
My question, then, is not so much one of how I can have this other life, but why I would even want it. To paraphrase INTP, I can't actually change many of these things without turning my back on the real-life me.
I see. Maybe you've overdriven yourself, or neglected your need to relax? Perhaps an exotic vacation would solve the problem, or provide you with further clues? Too much introspection? Not enough introspection?
I would like to help you somehow. Could you describe the alternative version of your life in a more down-to-earth way? Which one of your choices do you seem to doubt?
It took me awhile to figure out how to answer your question. I "know" what the alternative is; I can feel it, even see it almost, but putting it into words is a challenge. The primary difference is in the personal side of my life. I hinted unintentionally at it above when I mentioned being surprised at my success here, whereas my professional success was much more expected, even planned.
For most of my growing up years, through college in fact, I had good reason to think that I would probably spend my life alone. Not completely alone, of course, but with colleagues and neighbors and distant relations rather than close friends or (heaven forbid) a partner/spouse/SO. It turns out, however, that I have both friends and SO, my earlier predictions to the contrary. I think it has just been catching up with me lately what a significant investment of time and energy that can be, especially when one considers the secondary relationships: parents, siblings, old college buddies, etc. of my SO; husband, kids, sister of my best grad school friend, etc. I think of what else I would or could do with that time and energy if I were alone, and wonder if I made the better bargain.