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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Cooperation of the people within your group, yes. But should we honestly trust the likes of an outside party and risk our own existence? Do you not think that groups should function independently from one another? And for purposes of keeping peace, do you not think that groups should just leave each other alone?

    no- because different groups have different resources and talents that may be beneficial to other groups, and in working together and cooperating EVERYONE'S lives can be made easier And I didn't say trust- I merely said be nice to them- distrust ≠ hatred you don't have to like someone to be nice to them for goodness sake civility makes the world function!

    edit: remember Uber- you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar!
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    Okay, here's an obvious inquiry: Legalities aside, do you not think hate is useful for destroying the people you don't want to exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Hate is essentially how we stay alive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    That which forces division from our shared identity is certainly evil.
    Night: was there ever a shared identity? Isn't the rule always, divide and conquer?

    Whatever's and Uber's stands are fundamentally different, because they come from different sides of the stand:

    She speaks from the viewpoint of life as harmony, he speaks from the viewpoint of life as survival.

    Hatred is ultimately an emotion. And like all emotions, it has force. Whether it's useful or not depends in the end on how one channels it. Left within, it festers and poisons the soul:

    "One cannot always carry an adder at one's breast, nor rise up every night to sow thorns in the garden of one's soul."--Oscar Wilde.

    But if there are no positive forces in one's life, then, hate can very well be a driving force to living, more so than love can ever be.

    How i'd persuade someone off killing themselves: You don't love life? Fine. But you hate it, don't you? If so, hate it enough to live. Hate it enough to fuck reality and show everyone what life means, since, you've got nothing to lose anyway, isn't it? So live.

    In that sense, erroneous though it may be to general perception, hate can be a primal force in driving life.

    I believe that may be where Uber's coming from. The shadow revealed under stress. In that situation, hate is useful, if properly channelled.

    (pardon the cuss word used there. )

    Edit: Uber, don't hate so much, ok? It'd only hurt yourself in the end.
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    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Okay, here's an obvious inquiry: Legalities aside, do you not think hate is useful for destroying the people you don't want to exist?
    a) why would you want anyone to not exist? that's already hate right there, so your question is circular.
    b) no. it would be better to be one of those crazy calm murderers. you'd be less likely to make a mistake that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Okay, here's an obvious inquiry: Legalities aside, do you not think hate is useful for destroying the people you don't want to exist?
    no- people shouldn't be destroyed- just give them enough rope to hang themselves and if they're really unpleasant enough to arouse distaste from you they'll probably be out of your hair soon

    otherwise, you shouldn't be hating people... it takes up too much mental energy you could spend on something a lot more interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    a) why would you want anyone to not exist? that's already hate right there, so your question is circular.
    Maybe it could be something as simple as someone being hopelessly annoying. By forcing him out of existence, life becomes easier -- but as I said, legalities are put aside for purposes of this debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    b) no. it would be better to be one of those crazy calm murderers. you'd be less likely to make a mistake that way.
    What about when I become king?

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    Uber - I know that deep down you only want to love people.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Okay, here's an obvious inquiry: Legalities aside, do you not think hate is useful for destroying the people you don't want to exist?
    Diamonds are forever.
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    Grrrr!!!!

    A request/suggestion:

    Those participating in this thread (including myself) should provide their definition/s of hatred prior to expressing their opinions on it.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Maybe it could be something as simple as someone being hopelessly annoying. By forcing him out of existence, life becomes easier -- but as I said, legalities are put aside for purposes of this debate.
    if you really want to kill someone who's annoying, you have some extreme hatred. it consumes you. you wouldn't want to kill anyone unless you felt hatred. even if you don't actually hate the annoying person, you're still displacing hatred toward them because you hate someone else.

    CIRCULAR QUESTION.

    wow do you need therapy...

    at least study psychology or something.

    What about when I become king?
    i make a good point, you come up with a fantasy in which is doesn't matter. nice debate skills.

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