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    ish red no longer *sad* nightning's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    how does merely identifying something you passionately dislike help you survive?

    i hate the behavior of serial murder because it is removing the only real asset someone has for intrinsically unnecessary reasons, not because i fear for my survival.
    Serial murderers picks random targets... there's no reason for somebody to die except for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. It's about hating something that violates what you believe is the way the world is suppose to be. The principles of a just world. Hate drives the action to get rid of what in our mind is unjust. For if it's allow to continue, our whole foundation of how the world works (should work) goes poof. At least that's how the theories go. (or in this case my way of twisting the theories )

    Edit: For sanity... for our false belief... we have hatred? how does false believes affect survival... hmmm it's in the back of my mind. Perhaps perception makes a difference in how you act and from that affects survival. A weak argument. I'll get back to you later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Serial murderers picks random targets... there's no reason for somebody to die except for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. It's about hating something that violates what you believe is the way the world is suppose to be. The principles of a just world. Hate drives the action to get rid of what in our mind is unjust. For if it's allow to continue, our whole foundation of how the world works (should work) goes poof. At least that's how the theories go. (or in this case my way of twisting the theories )
    right... but in this case, there is absolutely no fear involved. part of pursuing good/happiness/love is willing the same onto others, and serial murder disallows that possibility in any given victim... cost being someone's only real asset (life) benefit being zilch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    right... but in this case, there is absolutely no fear involved. part of pursuing good/happiness/love is willing the same onto others, and serial murder disallows that possibility in any given victim... cost being someone's only real asset (life) benefit being zilch.
    The fear is in the mind... Fear of breaking our belief that there's order in the world. Fear of Murphy's Law... shit happens. If that is true, then there's no point in trying to do anything. World with order. Good people are rewarded and bad people punished. An abstract concept of fear. I suppose that doesn't apply to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    The fear is in the mind... Fear of breaking our belief that there's order in the world. Fear of Murphy's Law... shit happens. If that is true, then there's no point in trying to do anything. World with order. Good people are rewarded and bad people punished. An abstract concept of fear. I suppose that doesn't apply to you.
    i understand and have experienced both fear and appreciation (the foundation of love), therefore im often able to dismiss fear and choose appreciability.

    once one grasps what's within (understands) then they can go outside of its mechanics and control it. just because i understand fear doesnt mean i dont still have it, i am just not often controlled by it for the aforementioned reason.

    the phrase "there is nothing to fear but fear itself" is quite apt... we fear what we dont understand, and most people dont understand fear. to understand fear is to know this and thus become free of it. ie, to say "all that is inherently true of the unknown is that i dont know it, which implies nothing about its nature". if anything, the positive outcome that understanding what was previously unknown often brings is what draws me towards what i dont know rather than drives me away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    i understand and have experienced both fear and appreciation (the foundation of love), therefore im often able to dismiss fear and choose appreciability.

    once one grasps what's within (understands) then they can go outside of its mechanics and control it. just because i understand fear doesnt mean i dont still have it, i am just not often controlled by it for the aforementioned reason.

    the phrase "there is nothing to fear but fear itself" is quite apt... we fear what we dont understand, and most people dont understand fear. to understand fear is to know this and thus become free of it. ie, to say "all that is inherently true of the unknown is that i dont know it, which implies nothing about its nature". if anything, the positive outcome that understanding what was previously unknown often brings is what draws me towards what i dont know rather than drives me away from it.
    Fair enough. I agree that fear is in the unknown. If the concept of fear is unknown, then yes there will be fear of fear. Off on a tangent though. Shall we go off topic?

    The fear I was referring to is the fear of collapse of the world as a person understands it. It doesn't apply to everybody... (that's what I meant) but many people have the concept in mind. The concept... of the way the world is structured, of karma... "what goes around comes around" whatever... there's a fear in having it be wrong. Fear in the unknown... chaotic world without order. Fear drives actions to maintain that illusionary "safe" world. That's all.

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    Hate is very poisonous, I know the hate I have inside of me won't ever leave until the person that caused it is dead and buried. For me it isn't something that can just be ignored, it is something that haunts me everyday. I identify it as love gone sour, a piece of my heart that has rotted but just won't fall away. I can't see hatred being very helpful to the individual person, it certainly hasn't helped me in any way & I haven't seen anything positive come from people acting on their feelings of hatred.

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    My general interpretation of hate is that it's passionately being angry with/disliking someone/something. It's entirely poisonous, and I avoid hating people, because it tends to make me blind to anything redeeming in them/that they do, and being angry with them, does nothing useful for me or them (other than possibly resulting in a fight and them getting injured).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Serial murderers picks random targets... there's no reason for somebody to die except for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Edit: For sanity... for our false belief... we have hatred? how does false believes affect survival... hmmm it's in the back of my mind. Perhaps perception makes a difference in how you act and from that affects survival. A weak argument. I'll get back to you later.
    Rarely do serial murderers kill randomly. (Edit: I see most of our points connect. For the sake of explication, here's my take anyway.)

    Serial murderers typically kill to fulfill a personal prerogative. Most killers do so as a means of reconciling internal turmoil and/or to achieve a sense of balance for cruelties received. It's why certain killers only target specific demographics (Bundy - women; Dahmer - homosexual men; Gacy - teen males).

    While the horror of the behavior is usually accelerated by an internal combustible (mental disease and/or defect), most serial killers become as such due to (successive) transformative behaviors paid to them during critical periods of their lives.


    Returning to my initial point, hatred is an inflamed emotional powderkeg tendered towards those we find perpetually oppressive. In most "sane" people, this results from a constellation of "lesser" affronts to which the victim feels are unjust / unavoidable and rarely matures (thankfully) into the horrific.

    Hatred is thusly a deviated survival strategy given momentum by seemingly-inescapable persecution. The individual usually chooses to hate because he has no other means to deal with those who've continuously "harmed" him. In this sense, hatred could be understood to be a means for escape.


    At any rate, I suspect we've adjusted the panorama of my initial idea into territories unconnected to its original form...

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    I think hate is useful for keeping you away from things which don't help you or could harm you. It's better to hate things/ideas rather than people, but sometimes you can't help hating people. I hate (and have hated) quite a few things, although it doesn't always last.

    There's an important balance... hatred needs to be acknowledged and discussed to some degree, but you shouldn't wallow in it and let it color your whole worldview, because that makes life more arduous to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    There's an important balance... hatred needs to be acknowledged and discussed to some degree, but you shouldn't wallow in it and let it color your whole worldview, because that makes life more arduous to live.
    hate, by my definition, is something you wallow in.

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