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    awwweee. i love adam sandler. are you an adam sandler-like ISFP??
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    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    awwweee. i love adam sandler. are you an adam sandler-like ISFP??
    Yeah, I'd definitely fall in that clown like subsection.

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    I tested as creator-but what might be more interesting is to look at the graphs at the bottom and how you compare with peers. My creator was at 83% higher than 79% of peers. My orphan score was 58%-but it was higher than 84% of my peers. However my sage score was 75%-but that is only at the 50% percentile for my peer group.

    So based upon a peer comparison-I am actually orphan/creator. When I took my MBTI training course my instructor was this really wise INFP who first pointed me to the orphan archetype from the jungian description. It was interesting and helped me understand why I used Te and Fi perhaps a bit differently than the everyday ENFP and sort of gave more structure into the directions I needed to continue to improve upon. Part of the fun of the creator though really is the strong desire/compulsion to embrace my flaws. But it means falling down, getting some scrapes, then dragging myself back on track again-a bit masochistic-yet internally I am very driven to this aim. Perhaps the downside is that I project that internal desire onto others and assume they seek the same masochistic level of growth and self-truth.

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    :rolleyes2:

    You are the Innocent
    71% Innocent
    67% Fool
    63% Sage
    63% Destroyer
    60% Magician
    58% Seeker
    54% Warrior
    54% Creator
    58% Lover
    50% Ruler
    50% Caregiver
    33% Orphan

    Goal: remain in safety
    Fear: abandonment
    Response to Dragon/Problem: Deny or seek rescue
    Task: Fidelity, discernment
    Gift: Trust, optimism, loyalty
    Addictions: Consumerism, sugar, cheerfulness

    The Journey of the Innocent, in all its versions, begins in a kind of utopia, a safe, secure, peaceful, loving environment. Suddenly, we are thrown fro m that environment and enter a world where we are judged, where unfair discriminations are made, where conflict and violence are rampant and illusions are shattered.”

    The Innocent in each of us, however, knows that if that safe garden is possible anywhere or anytime, even if we personally never remember experiencing it, then it can be recreated sometimes, by someone.

    Only at the end of our journey are we Wise Innocents, knowing the whole breadth of life’s experiences, and choosing to create a peaceful, egalitarian world where all creatures can be known, honoured, and empowered.

    The Innocent also believes that it is important to stay defined by one’s persona and have no secrets from the world.

    Shadow Side:

    The Shadow side of the innocent wants to protect the innocent state by refusing the Fall, and can cause us to be in denial about our own actions. When healthy, Innocents transgress, forgive themselves, moderate their behaviour, and move on. Shadow innocents blame themselves if others violate their principles.

    How others will see you:

    Shadow Orphans will tempt the Innocent to cross the physical and metaphorical street and to flout the rules. The Shadow Warrior will wage war on the Innocent, criticizing unmercifully.

    The Shadow Caregiver will demand sacrifice and accuse the Innocent of selfishness if he or she shows the slightest regard for personal wishes or welfare.

    You will see others as:

    Seekers will be seen as heretics, Destroyers as enemies, Lovers as immoral seducers, and Creators as dangerous sources of hubris.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I tested as creator-but what might be more interesting is to look at the graphs at the bottom and how you compare with peers. My creator was at 83% higher than 79% of peers. My orphan score was 58%-but it was higher than 84% of my peers. However my sage score was 75%-but that is only at the 50% percentile for my peer group.

    So based upon a peer comparison-I am actually orphan/creator.
    Oh interesting. Based on my peer comparison I'm innocent/destroyer. HA. Where can you read about all of them?
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    simply from reading the descriptions, i felt as though i related to the orphan much more. but perhaps a combination of seeker and orphan for me. i wonder how trusty that scoring is.
    "I don't know a perfect person.
    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    You are the Fool
    25% Orphan
    33% Innocent
    54% Caregiver
    71% Destroyer
    71% Sage
    79% Seeker
    79% Lover
    80% Magician
    83% Ruler
    83% Warrior
    88% Creator
    and 100% Fool!


    Fools are in great demand, especially on social occasions. They embarrass everyone but provide material for conversation…Fools don’t claim that cats bark, but they talk about cats when everyone else is talking about dogs. They offend all the rules of conversation, and when they really offend, they’re magnificent…
    — Foucault’s Pendulum


    Goal: Enjoyment
    Fear: Nonaliveness
    Response to Dragon/Problem: Play tricks on it
    Task: Trust in the process
    Gift: Joy, freedom
    Addictions: Excitement, cocaine, alcohol

    The Fool is the archetype most helpful in dealing with the absurdities of the modern world and with faceless, amorphous modern bureaucracies– places where no one takes personal responsibility, rules are expected to be followed mo matter how absurd they might be, and the tables are incredibly stacked against individual effectiveness. A Jester does not merely provide entertainment, but also points out the failings of the kingdom to a wise Ruler. Thus, Fools are often the most serious archetype of all. The Fool often violates social norms in humourous ways to avoid provoking undue hostility.

    A Fool’s politics are anarchistic. Fools are resilient, and are willing to stand up and try again despite failing. The Fool enjoys the contest of the wits even in the most dangerous or offensive of circumstances, and hates being bored.

    Shadow Fool:
    When such energy is not allowed, it simply goes underground, and in doing so becomes negative, undermining force. The Shadow Fool delights in breaking rules, regardless of the consequences. Unbridled and undisciplined sensuality, madness, and multiple personalities or personas are usually the results of the force of the Shadow Fool. The Shadow Fool has an unrealistic vision of what is required for survival, emotions, and relationships and believes that in order to succeed at conventional norms, one must work all of the time, so there is no use in undertaking any conventional task.
    every normal man must be tempted, at times,
    to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
    and begin slitting throats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    Ooh thats interesting, I didn't notice that there was so much behind this personality test. I admit it appeals to me
    Quote Originally Posted by wedekit View Post
    Here's a link to a quiz to determine your type: What's Your Archetype?
    All those questions and just this.

    Creator

    When the Creator is active within a person, that person is discovering or creating a more adequate sense of Self. At best, this new identity leads to a more fulfilling and effective life. At worst, it is simply an experiment, and the person retreats or goes back to the drawing board to start over.

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    You are the Sage

    29% Innocent, 13% Orphan, 46% Warrior, 17% Caregiver, 75% Seeker, 17% Lover, 38% Destroyer, 42% Creator, 16% Magician, 38% Ruler, 88% Sage and 75% Fool!

    Goal: Truth

    Fear: Deception

    Response to Dragon/Problem: Transcend it

    Task: Attain enlightenment

    Gift: Wisdom, non-attachment

    Addictions: Being right, tranquilizers

    Sages have little or no need to control or change the world; they just want to understand it. The Sage’s path is the journey to find out the truth– about ourselves, our world, and the universe. However, it is not simply about finding knowledge, but about becoming wise. The challenge of the Sage is to decode the clue and solve the underlying riddle of existence. They seek to cultivate and attitude of dispassionate reflection so that they can experience real truth. The Sage merely watches the action, while looking for the underlying truth.

    Shadow Sage:

    The Shadow Sage is not so much unattached as cut off from reality. S/he is so obsessed by non-attachment that s/he cannot commit to people, projects, or ideas. Sometimes a Negative Sage deludes her/himself with the idea that his provides him/her with freedom, but s/he is not free at all. The negative Sage is addicted to being perfect and truthful and right and has no tolerance of normal human feelings or vulnerabilities. Such a Sage often tends towards ascetic practices and constantly derides the self or others for any sign of not being perfect.

    Shadow Sages also tend to try to make the world seem less mysterious by limiting the number of acceptable ways of perceiving reality. Such individuals are also incapable of acknowledging the way that their own subjective biases colour their supposedly rational findings. Shadow Sages typically want to control knowledge in such a way that it is not threatening by focusing on a style that correspond to their learning style. Knowledge, then, becomes a way of showing superiority to others. Their primary focus thus becomes not on the attainment of wisdom itself, but on the evaluation of others. Whatever relative truth they have discovered is identified with absolute truth, and their primary focus is in guarding this truth from assaults by the barbarians.
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    You are the Sage
    42% Innocent, 33% Orphan, 38% Warrior, 83% Caregiver, 75% Seeker, 71% Lover, 58% Destroyer, 71% Creator, 76% Magician, 71% Ruler, 88% Sage and 83% Fool!

    Goal: Truth
    Fear: Deception
    Response to Dragon/Problem: Transcend it
    Task: Attain enlightenment
    Gift: Wisdom, non-attachment
    Addictions: Being right, tranquilizers
    Sages have little or no need to control or change the world; they just want to understand it. The Sage’s path is the journey to find out the truth– about ourselves, our world, and the universe. However, it is not simply about finding knowledge, but about becoming wise. The challenge of the Sage is to decode the clue and solve the underlying riddle of existence. They seek to cultivate and attitude of dispassionate reflection so that they can experience real truth. The Sage merely watches the action, while looking for the underlying truth.
    Shadow Sage:
    The Shadow Sage is not so much unattached as cut off from reality. S/he is so obsessed by non-attachment that s/he cannot commit to people, projects, or ideas. Sometimes a Negative Sage deludes her/himself with the idea that his provides him/her with freedom, but s/he is not free at all. The negative Sage is addicted to being perfect and truthful and right and has no tolerance of normal human feelings or vulnerabilities. Such a Sage often tends towards ascetic practices and constantly derides the self or others for any sign of not being perfect.
    Shadow Sages also tend to try to make the world seem less mysterious by limiting the number of acceptable ways of perceiving reality. Such individuals are also incapable of acknowledging the way that their own subjective biases colour their supposedly rational findings. Shadow Sages typically want to control knowledge in such a way that it is not threatening by focusing on a style that correspond to their learning style. Knowledge, then, becomes a way of showing superiority to others. Their primary focus thus becomes not on the attainment of wisdom itself, but on the evaluation of others. Whatever relative truth they have discovered is identified with absolute truth, and their primary focus is in guarding this truth from assaults by the barbarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    All those questions and just this.

    Creator

    When the Creator is active within a person, that person is discovering or creating a more adequate sense of Self. At best, this new identity leads to a more fulfilling and effective life. At worst, it is simply an experiment, and the person retreats or goes back to the drawing board to start over.
    read up on it from some of the links i posted.
    "I don't know a perfect person.
    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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