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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    why is there a need to believe in anything? happiness can be found in the saving grace of understanding even in the truest form of reality
    wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Anything solid I can believe I can make a lifelong pursuit. Something that is somehow both a contribution and somehow unique to myself.

    Does anyone else have the same sort of need?

    Has anyone found something like that for themselves?
    If so, what is it?
    You could believe in yourself, contribute to your happiness and well being..

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    Yeah, on the same trail as persianeyes, I believe in my potential.. my future. It's an easy answer, but it keeps me pumped and ready to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Yeah, on the same trail as persianeyes, I believe in my potential.. my future. It's an easy answer, but it keeps me pumped and ready to go.
    I like your scheme, Dana.

    To what extent do you think your "belief" will ultimately influence your future?

    Is potential a negotiable entity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    wut?
    belief implies accepting things without rationality... i think belief is used in lieu of reality and the understanding of it, and i dont think that is necessary.

    ultimately, i think belief is disillusionment. i think we can identify what we know and dont know, and through a well enough developed understanding of that, still come out happy and positive. i dont think being happy requires playing stupid, more or less.

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    Can we ever truly accept anything without a certain insertion of (falsifiable) belief/faith, Grayscale?

    The essence of the scientific method is openness to possibility while remaining faithful to translatable experimentation; we consent to revision when new data is available.

    Certainly, we should endeavor to flex our intellectual attention to empirical detail, but aren't we ultimately subject to the limitations of our metrics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    I like your scheme, Dana.

    To what extent do you think your "belief" will ultimately influence your future?

    Is potential a negotiable entity?
    The belief that I am *actually* capable of having the future I envision for myself keeps me from succumbing to helplessness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    The belief that I am *actually* capable of having the future I envision for myself keeps me from succumbing to helplessness.
    Realization that you are, on some level, susceptible to helplessness implies the learned wisdom necessary to overcome it, I'd wager.

    It's those who champion ideals without logical pause paid to personal sacrifice that tend to wilt quickest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Can we ever truly accept anything without a certain insertion of (falsifiable) belief/faith, Grayscale?
    there is a difference between taking an action because it is required to function despite the lack of a complete set of information to support it... and doing so on the premise of having more information than someone really does because they are either too scared or unwilling to acknowledge [and hopefully try to correct] that

    the latter is what i consider to be the path of ignorance. what i was implying in my post was that thinking one needs some deeper purpose in life in order to be happy falls along that path, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Anything solid I can believe I can make a lifelong pursuit. Something that is somehow both a contribution and somehow unique to myself.

    Does anyone else have the same sort of need?

    Has anyone found something like that for themselves?
    If so, what is it?
    Scientology.

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