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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Typically, I think it's usually pre-existing conditions that drive one to use the 'net as a resource to self-medicate, so to speak. It's diverse, easy to use, and allows one to avoid direct social contact.

    However, I think self-medicating that way as a long-term solution compounds the problem and will thus deepen the depression.

    Look at alcohol, for example. it's not bad to use it as a social outlet from time to time, to alleviate stress, whatever else... but if you start doing it all the time, you actually change your body chemistry, brain capacity, physical health, dependency issues, and whatever else... making it even harder for you to break free.

    All that time spent on drinking (or on the 'net) is time not spent finding a better solution to the problems at hand. Being on the 'net can also feel like a passive thing -- you're just feeding your indulgences but not necessarily engaging the world -- and even in the realm of the tangibles, your physical body health will worsen, you won't produce body chemicals produced during physical work/activity that help you feel good, etc.
    Exactly this. It's mind-blowingly obvious to me that depressed people will spend more time online (assuming they use the internet at all normally). It's an easy escape from real life. I'm thinking of Wow and similar here too.

    But, using it as an escape mechanism won't work any better than hiding at home in bed, or using drugs to escape.

    What a poorly designed study, to show us a correlation that's totally obvious (as well as misleading). Oh well, it's not like it's the first to do that....
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    I'm depressed by the thought of all the time I've spent on forums like this one to the expense of other activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Exactly this. It's mind-blowingly obvious to me that depressed people will spend more time online (assuming they use the internet at all normally). It's an easy escape from real life. I'm thinking of Wow and similar here too.

    But, using it as an escape mechanism won't work any better than hiding at home in bed, or using drugs to escape.

    What a poorly designed study, to show us a correlation that's totally obvious (as well as misleading). Oh well, it's not like it's the first to do that....
    I disagree that it's not better than using drugs to escape. You can actually learn things, read, and socialize with people on the Internet. I think it's a fuck hell of a lot smarter than being a meth head. It probably gives people with social anxiety friends that they wouldn't otherwise have had.

    But, you know, get up and go for a walk or a jog or something once and a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I disagree that it's not better than using drugs to escape. You can actually learn things, read, and socialize with people on the Internet. I think it's a fuck hell of a lot smarter than being a meth head. It probably gives people with social anxiety friends that they wouldn't otherwise have had.

    But, you know, get up and go for a walk or a jog or something once and a while.
    It kind of sucks though if you make friends and don't meet them or it's too long distance to meet enough. This applies to this site, but it's applied to me before elsewhere.

    It's kind of a "lousy investment" if you think about it. As cool as some people are.

    Hmm, I think I'm depressed now.

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    yeah, that's true in some ways, but you could rationalize alcohol in the same way (helps you socialize, fun experiences, whatever) and the kind of internet that becomes excessive isn't usually the educational type. I suppose you could say you could learn social skills from wow, but I'd argue that (in most cases) it's outweighed by keeping you from developing real social skills which include body language and so on. And in my experience it tends to make social anxiety worse, not better, because the fear grows as you avoid "real life" social contact, so you don't get the chance to learn that it's not so bad.

    but yeah, it's better than say, crystal meth, or heroin, which have side consequences mostly involved with the money needed for them (and more health effects). Focusing purely on the obsessive, escapist behaviour, though. It's just not "good" purely because it involves reading, is what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Exactly this. It's mind-blowingly obvious to me that depressed people will spend more time online (assuming they use the internet at all normally). It's an easy escape from real life. I'm thinking of Wow and similar here too.
    Mildly depressed to slightly disgruntled, maybe.
    "Severely" depressed? I doubt it. Do people have any concept of what severe depression looks like? It's an effort to run a comb through your hair, you're not gonna be spending hours a day chatting online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    yeah, that's true in some ways, but you could rationalize alcohol in the same way (helps you socialize, fun experiences, whatever) and the kind of internet that becomes excessive isn't usually the educational type. I suppose you could say you could learn social skills from wow, but I'd argue that (in most cases) it's outweighed by keeping you from developing real social skills which include body language and so on. And in my experience it tends to make social anxiety worse, not better, because the fear grows as you avoid "real life" social contact, so you don't get the chance to learn that it's not so bad.

    but yeah, it's better than say, crystal meth, or heroin. It's just not "good" purely because it involves reading, is what I meant.
    Yeah...I wouldn't compare the Internet as a whole to drugs or alcohol, I think that's an exaggeration. I think there's a higher chance that Internet nerds are making a better use of their time, though they *could be* porn addicts, compulsive gamblers, or obsessed with WoW...that doesn't mean that's what all people on the Internet are doing. People who are drinking heavily and taking hard drugs usually are putting their lives, health, emotions, and intellect in much more danger.

    You can read novels on the Internet, do math, read history, and research any number of things, as well as socializing with like-minded people. Apparently you don't suffer from social anxiety yourself, and don't comprehend how crippling that can be for some people, especially if they have agoraphobia, and Internet socializing really can help people, and I stand by that statement.

    It depends on how it is used, hence my original comment of "I love how they lump the rest of us in with the porn addicts, et al."

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    What's considered excessive internet use today will be normal internet use in a few years...

    You can link excessive <insert word> use with a lot of things, depression being one of them, so I'm not surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    It depends on how it is used, hence my original comment of "I love how they lump the rest of us in with the porn addicts, et al."
    I think you misread it. It's quite explicitly talking about "excessive" use which amounts to addiction.
    Addiction is never healthy.
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    I'd be curious what's considered excessive use and if the same amount of time spent reading books would also be considered excessive use.

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