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Left and Right brained functions

Sunny Ghost

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Are J functions, such as Ni, Si, Te and Fe left-brained functions,
while P functions, such as Ne, Se, Ti and Fi right-brained functions?

Is this what makes one function as either a judger or a perceiver?
 
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Are J functions, such as Ni, Si, Te and Fe left-brained functions,
while P functions, such as Ne, Se, Ti and Fi right-brained functions?

Is this what makes one function as either a judger or a perceiver?

The agent. But you already said it.
P is agent: Functions: Ne, Se, Ti and Fi.
J is agent: Ni, Si, Te and Fe.

Quite right. Do not worry.
Your right brain functions perfectly. :)
 

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Are J functions, such as Ni, Si, Te and Fe left-brained functions,
while P functions, such as Ne, Se, Ti and Fi right-brained functions?

Is this what makes one function as either a judger or a perceiver?

Mostly yes, but I'm not sure about Ni....
 

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i don't know why i never thought of them in terms of left and right brained before, but after reading each of the functions separately... it does make sense.

Ni does seem iffy in the left brain department.
 

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numerical computation (exact calculation, numerical comparison, estimation)
left hemisphere only: direct fact retrieval
language: grammar/vocabulary, literal
Logical
Sequential
Rational
Analytical
Objective
Looks at parts

This sounds pretty much like Ti, right? So according to this...wouldn't some INTPs be left brain dominant? And what about INFJs and ENFJs ?
Oh well...this is confusing.


http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...s/35010-right-left-brain-creativity-test.html
 
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Ni generally is classified as a Left-brain function, because it seeks to categorize information IIRC. Ti OTOH is supposedly Right-Brain.

Don't ask me why, that's just the case made. :shrug:
 

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But "true insight" supposedly occurs in the anterior superior temporal gyrus which is the right.

http://www.research-live.com/commen...erior-superior-temporal-gyrus/4000950.article
After lunch it was food for thought – another keynote address by writer and ‘new thinker’ Jonah Lehrer*, who talked about the science of creativity and how we make decisions. He focused specifically on how humans arrive at moments of insight – epiphanies if you will; thoughts and ideas that seemingly come out of nowhere but where we instinctively know that we arrived at the right solution once the idea reaches our conscious awareness.

Neuroscience and brain scans have helped to locate the part of the brain where true insights occur – it’s the anterior superior temporal gyrus if you must know – where otherwise remote and unconnected associations are brought together and linked. We may think that paying more attention to the problem we are trying to solve will help. Instead, said Lehrer we should try and relax, even think of completely different topics. MRI scans show alpha waves as the dominant patterns of brain activity, indicating that a relaxed state of mind and positive mood are important preconditions to generating true insights or ‘a-ha’ moments. Maybe that’s why creative agencies or dotcom companies always seem to have dart boards or ping pong tables in their social areas.

By contrast, much of our problem solving is based on analytical thinking that occurs in our working memory, or frontal cortex, which is why we are aware of the progress (or lack of progress) that we are making.

One way to adjust mental strategies is to practise metacognition: thinking about thinking to solve insight problems. Solutions to these kinds of problems can be found either by an individual or in group brainstorming sessions. When the latter is used it is best to bring together specialists from various disciplines that are only marginally involved with the problem at hand, because when experts are asked to think within their own discipline they are often locked into a pre-conceived intellectual box.


*Jonah Lehrer scandals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Lehrer
 
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I agree that Ni by nature seems far more Right-brained than left-brained.
 

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I'm left-brained. :shrug:
 

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Short interview with Thomson here.

JM: Doesn't this brain map suggest that type preference depends on the inborn structure of the nervous system?

LTB: The only purpose of the brain map is to show how type preference relates to what the brain actually does. It doesn't mean that preference is a predetermined neurological structure, and it doesn't mean that you can drill into the cranium and locate the functions, cradled happily in their separate quadrants. What I'm trying to indicate is that tasks associated with the various functions implicate different parts of the brain.
 

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I know when I recorded that video a long time ago, I kept looking off to my left, and I notice I do this when I speak. They say this means you are using your right brain. That confused me because I've always considered myself fairly logical and good at math, etc. But if this is where Ni is, and if it means more of an artistic type thinking, then that would explain it. I do get Aha moments a lot, when I'm at an impasse, or when I see an impasse approaching.

EDIT: Thanks for those great links, btw, V.
 

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Left:

numerical computation (exact calculation, numerical comparison, estimation)
left hemisphere only: direct fact retrieval
language: grammar/vocabulary, literal
Logical
Sequential
Rational
Analytical
Objective
Looks at parts

This sounds pretty much like Ti, right? So according to this...wouldn't some INTPs be left brain dominant? And what about INFJs and ENFJs ?
Oh well...this is confusing.


http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...s/35010-right-left-brain-creativity-test.html

i was reading that it's because Ti takes a holistic approach, as apposed to Te, therefore making it a right brain function.

p. 287: "As a right-brain function, Introverted Thinking is not conceptual and linear [contra Extraverted Thinking]. It's body-based and wholistic. It operates by way of visual, tactile, or spatial cues, inclining us to reason experientially rather than analytically."

p. 288: "The right brain, with its all-at-once approach to life, doesn't require exact predictability before it takes action. Its decisions are based on probabilities, and it leaves room for the random and the unexpected."
http://greenlightwiki.com/lenore-exegesis/Introverted_Thinking
p. 229: "Introverted Intuitions are not really ideas. They're like trains at the edge of articulated knowledge. You can't claim them or advocate them. You put on a hat, grab hold of a boxcar door, and see where they go."

p. 153: "Introverted Intuition suggests that absolute meaning is an illusion--the result of having incomplete information."
p. 234: "For INJs, truth isn't about logic. Truth is a frame of reference, a way of organizing information, which serves one set of needs or another."
http://greenlightwiki.com/lenore-exegesis/Introverted_Intuition

and worded this way... Ni does sound more left brained.
 

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Ni, by all accounts, is left-brained. it works with language. it's tagged by word meanings (wernicke) that help create conceptual clusters. it's basically an auto-association network mediated by Je organization and articulation, that potentializes specific forms and shapes, organizing connections to quickly and efficiently metabolise what is needed, and densely tagged with language for easy accessibility and order of operations regrouping.

it's skill of insight might have to do with conceptual blending. taking the exteriorily embodied signs inward and then synthesizing new meanings and new forms not as the exterior world and its meanings but within the private symbology of an interior, introverted framework/thinking space. Ni, apart from the powerful relationships with the semantic center, is basically a gestalt pattern finder. we are like biochemists of meaning, and we can synthesize new compounds and new symbols that help us interpolate new possibilities, new ways of seeing, etc, at the level of the language-culture we have already internalized.

Ne, by contrast, does this in the world by merging with subjective positions and imagining what is possible from that subjective, experiential, temporally present and spatially constructed space. it gathers information, builds a kind of virtual environment of meaning, and then may or may not have a weird tesla coil kind of flash that locates the first position in teh story. the story, aided by the pragmatic reasoning of Ji, begins.

j types work primarily with teh cultural operating system, whereas p types work primarily with the experiential possibilties within the world (including the cultural operating system) as it is currently constructed. eg apple = p = user experience.
 

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Many INFJs scored right brain dom in the test....

You are right about Ti.
 

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I've seen other serious theorists hypothesize that Te, Ti, Se and Si are left-brained, while Ne, Ni, Fe and Fi are right-brained.

I tend to believe these theorists over Lenore.

To say Ni is left-brained seems ridiculous to me.
 

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I've seen others serious theorists hypothesize that Te, Ti, Se and Si are left-brained, while Ne, Ni, Fe and Fi are right-brained.

I tend to believe these theorists over Lenore.

To say Ni is left-brained seems ridiculous to me.

then what makes Ni types judgers, in your opinion?

also, in what way would one consider Se as a left brained function?
 

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so, according to that theory, everyone would be broken down more evenly on the left and right brained spectrum, however it would be a matter of which is first in our functions?

say, for me as an ISFP--right brained due to Fi. but for an ESFP--left brained to to leading Se?
 

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sorry, had to edit what i meant.

also, in what way would one consider Se as a left brained function?

Well, let's see what guesswho listed as left-brained traits:

guesswho said:
numerical computation (exact calculation, numerical comparison, estimation)
left hemisphere only: direct fact retrieval
language: grammar/vocabulary, literal
Logical
Sequential
Rational
Analytical
Objective
Looks at parts

If you ask me, the two functions that description best matches are S and T.

Which would make the two functions that best match the right brain as N and F.

Now, ask yourself this: how many people on here have said that it's hard to distinguish between intuition and feeling?

And who are known as the "realists" of the MBTI types? (hint: thinking sensors)

So, according to the breakdown I gave:

  • Those with two left-brained functions as their first two functions would be the STs (ESTJ, ISTJ, ESTP, ISTP).

  • Those with one left-brained function and one right-brained function as their first two functions would be the NTs (ENTJ, INTJ, ENTP, INTP) and SFs (ESFJ, ISFJ, ESFP, ISFP).

  • Those with two right-brained functions as their first two functions would be the NFs (ENFJ, INFJ, ENFP, INFP).
 
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