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    It was worded beautifully in the film 2012 where the lama turns to Nima and says .. Like this cup, you are full of opinions and speculations. To see the light of wisdom... you first must empty your cup.

    Need i say more
    “I made you take time to look at what I saw and when you took time to really notice my flower, you hung all your associations with flowers on my flower and you write about my flower as if I think and see what you think and see—and I don't.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    "Wisdom comes with winters."
    are you trying to mock people who live in countries with no real winter?
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
    — C.G. Jung

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    This is addressed to whomever may read this:
    You.
    Your wisdom is not my wisdom.
    Your experiences are not my experiences.
    I learn from you.
    It doesn't matter if you're young or old or rich or poor. You could have any personality type.
    You will teach me something that I didn't know if I hadn't come into contact with you.
    Thank you for sharing that with me.
    You are more wise than you realize.
    I'm a little teapot, short and stout. Here is my handle and here is my spout. Every time I steam up, I give a shout. Just tip me over and pour me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    but the problem with intps is that our Fe is weak, so we dont get into definitive conclusions with it, Ti can analyze it from detached point of view, but it doesent mean that it would lead to any definitive conclusions, just possible ways it might be.

    i wrote about Fe/Ti but ended up erasing it after i gave it more thought, because there are problems with all Fe/Ti types also. For example Fe doms have Ti as 4th function, this leads in poor logical analysis whats happening around him. Also Ni or Si as main perceiving function can cause problems, Ni users living kinda in their own world, making their conclusions about it all too subjective and Si users stuck in how it has been and poor view of how things will go and possible lack of depth of it all. Entps looking too much into the future and seeing possibilities of how it might be or how it might go, estps living too much in the present moment. Istp having similar problems with estp, but having even lower Fe..

    Fi/Te users being too subjective with their F and too much concentration on facts with Te. I think out of Fi/Te users enfps might be on the top about this, but they got their weaknesses too.

    thats are just quick analyzing on the surface, so i hope no one gets insulted, because all of these types can come up from their weaknesses and this is exactly why i think none of the types got a upper hand, they just see different things
    Lets work with E/I first. Which do you think contributes to wisdom more?

    The extrovert that often has the experience? Or the reflective introvert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Lets work with E/I first. Which do you think contributes to wisdom more?

    The extrovert that often has the experience? Or the reflective introvert?
    i dont think its that much about i or e, i bet its more about overall function order. but if we look at e vs i only, both have their advantages. also for example entp with low e(high Ti) would have advantage over intp with high i(low Ne), but intp with high e would have an advantage over entp with high e(low Ti). this being said, its not so much about i vs e, so now it comes down more into tert Si vs Fe, and that i already explained.
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i dont think its that much about i or e, i bet its more about overall function order. but if we look at e vs i only, both have their advantages. also for example entp with low e(high Ti) would have advantage over intp with high i(low Ne), but intp with high e would have an advantage over entp with high e(low Ti). this being said, its not so much about i vs e, so now it comes down more into tert Si vs Fe, and that i already explained.
    What do you mean by "advantage"?

    You mention Si vs. Fe but I suggest we simplify by using common dichotomies first, then after, we look at it function-wise(the specific).

    You mention Si. S or N. Which do you think is more wise? And if you believe in equal widsom, what equalizes their "wisdom"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    What do you mean by "advantage"?

    You mention Si vs. Fe but I suggest we simplify by using common dichotomies first, then after, we look at it function-wise(the specific).

    You mention Si. S or N. Which do you think is more wise? And if you believe in equal widsom, what equalizes their "wisdom"?
    things like this equalize their wisdom "The extrovert that often has the experience? Or the reflective introvert?". or more like gives advantage but also disadvantage to every type to different areas in life, making them just different since they are offering something on one area and makes them bad on the others. because of this factor i think its useless to get into more depth with this thing, or more than i already did. also looking at types from i/e, n/s, t/f or j/p point of view is pretty useless because those are created by function order. for example its impossible to say anything about t/f because some ifj types have tert Ti that they are usually pretty good at, good enough for many areas in life and etp types have tert Fe..
    i gave a thought for entps dom Ne, i just didnt feel like writing a book about its impacts and since high e intp can be as much into new experiences as entp with low e, talking about i/e as the factor for experiencing things or introspecting is useless. not to mention while the entp might experience more, he might not get as much life wisdom from his experiences if he lacks the introspection of intp, who might experience less, but get more out of his experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    It was worded beautifully in the film 2012 where the lama turns to Nima and says .. Like this cup, you are full of opinions and speculations. To see the light of wisdom... you first must empty your cup.

    Need i say more
    It's intresting, if you look at some quotes regarding wisdom, you'ld find some saying that wisdom can only be achieved by those who have a lot of opinions and some quotes who say the exact opposite. I think the nice thing regarding wisdom is that it is unless like for example intelligence prone to a very subjective definition. One may say now it's inaccurate if you dont nail it down to one definition only and it bugs me too a bit, but maybe it's even wisdom if one can understand that at some point in life. Life's so versatile and colorful, would be kind of foolish of me to assume there's only one kind of wisdom, wouldnt it ?

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    are you trying to mock people who live in countries with no real winter?
    Do you think that would be unwise with respect to my own health ?

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    things like this equalize their wisdom "The extrovert that often has the experience? Or the reflective introvert?". or more like gives advantage but also disadvantage to every type to different areas in life, making them just different since they are offering something on one area and makes them bad on the others. because of this factor i think its useless to get into more depth with this thing, or more than i already did. also looking at types from i/e, n/s, t/f or j/p point of view is pretty useless because those are created by function order. for example its impossible to say anything about t/f because some ifj types have tert Ti that they are usually pretty good at, good enough for many areas in life and etp types have tert Fe..
    i gave a thought for entps dom Ne, i just didnt feel like writing a book about its impacts and since high e intp can be as much into new experiences as entp with low e, talking about i/e as the factor for experiencing things or introspecting is useless. not to mention while the entp might experience more, he might not get as much life wisdom from his experiences if he lacks the introspection of intp, who might experience less, but get more out of his experiences.
    I agree with your opinion on this and I think too, like you said that this can be expanded on all types. I've often encountered in my life the problem that some people seem to amass a huge amount of knowledge, they for example read somewhere or studied and I think of this to be a good thing, until said people behave like they should be respected as wise due to amassed knowledge. I've personally read as equally as much but my brain is very hesitant when it comes to saving information. I often have the impression of myself that I am dumb, when I am in the vicinity of such people, because I either cant remember jack or I really read about the thing they are talking about once too, but I cant remember.

    So what I want to say is that I believe wisdom means if you are able to see a situation from the different PoVs involved. This not necessarily an intuitive quality, on the contrary: there's a seasoned woman in my company, I'ld type ESTJ and she has not only life experience and life wisdom, no she interpreted the experience for herself aswell and now has such a well-formed opinion it's a pleasure and huge personal help if you talk to her. I've often met people like that in life, they are rare but there are more than one might imagine.

    So I am not saying one needs to have a faulty brain to become wise, on the contrary I think that is still a great hinderance for becoming wise. What I mean is what you said, one needs to reflect on the things experienced and interprete them from the PoV of the standpoints involved. That is one of the highest arts that is out there and still sometimes it's more wise to dont do it
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    Life being human life, my vote goes to the INFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    It's intresting, if you look at some quotes regarding wisdom, you'ld find some saying that wisdom can only be achieved by those who have a lot of opinions and some quotes who say the exact opposite. I think the nice thing regarding wisdom is that it is unless like for example intelligence prone to a very subjective definition. One may say now it's inaccurate if you dont nail it down to one definition only and it bugs me too a bit, but maybe it's even wisdom if one can understand that at some point in life. Life's so versatile and colorful, would be kind of foolish of me to assume there's only one kind of wisdom, wouldnt it ?
    I was talking to someone on vent recently and what i said then fits in perfectly here 'We both view a prism, describe what you see?'

    Perception is going to give us different answers to a very simple question. And that i believe is the beauty of life .. Life viewed by many eyes.

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