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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I think his claim that almost everyone alive has been traumatized to the point of brain damage is going to detract from the point of the rest of his message, honestly.

    But, yes, there are many, many broken people in the world. I am one of them. Only a small percentage of people I know came from homes where they were treated with unconditional love, acceptance, and respect.

    On the other hand, demonizing parents isn't really a good idea always ... all people are neurotic. Everyone. And those parents who emotionally or physically abuse their children were most often emotionally or physically abused themselves, and so on, and so forth.

    The only thing that anyone can do is try to work together to try to love and accept other people and not abuse each other. It's hard though because everyone makes mistakes.

    I honestly think that's where the Christian philosophy sprung up with the idea of forgiveness. Forgiveness is a pretty socially evolutionary idea in terms of living with other human beings. The problem is that it seems to pretty difficult for most people, whether they are Christian or atheist or whatever.
    Yes, I agree. I was basically just defining unhealthy to cover 99.9 percent of people. Not really saying anything about the cause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Yes, I agree. I was basically just defining unhealthy to cover 99.9 percent of people. Not really saying anything about the cause...
    Where is the normative range for healthy, exactly, if 99.9% of people are "unhealthy"?

    That's seems like ideological hocus pocus, to me.

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    The trick is that 'damaged' isn't just qualitative. We're not just all fucked up; we're all really, badly fucked up (or 99.9% of us, whatever.) There's not a chance on this earth that we'll be able to turn around and be the perfect parents. Even if we understand the gravity and the importance of controlling our behaviour in that way, we'll still slip up once in a while.

    It isn't qualitative...it's quantitative. If we do our best to be good parents, even if we fuck up once in a while...if we can recognize that we fucked up, and own up to it, and apologize, our kids will be that much better off. And maybe they'll be the ones to score A+ on parenting.





    ...of course, I'm not gonna have kids... and I doubt all that many in this thread are...


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    didnt yet watch OP video: but i am just wondering how many people were [sexually] abused and repressed it, i've heard that the number is quite big, and reading about ssome therapies that go very deep, it's amazing how many people relive those memories. it could be much more present than it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Where is the normative range for healthy, exactly, if 99.9% of people are "unhealthy"?

    That's seems like ideological hocus pocus, to me.
    Maybe. I think that because of all the damaging factors, most of the people are damaged so bad that they see the world as one big projection of their unconsciousnesses. By healthy I mean a person who has been able to eliminate that projection. You could call everybody healthy unless proven otherwise, but I see my view more optimistic, since it gives me the possibility to become healthy while the other view would say I am just fine until I slip into psychosis.

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    Hmmm, this video was very interesting. It actually made me a bit sad. I was able to see much truth in his points. When I reflect back on my childhood and wonder why I do not have much memory recall, I attribute it to exactly this. That I do not know that I don't know. All I do know though, was that I tried very hard to forget most of it. (and then I wonder how much of my brain is possibly damaged, ha ha).

    At any rate, it was always a goal of mine to be a better parent than my own parents were. In many ways I do feel I am a much better parent to my own children now, and even have to put my parents in their places when they are ignorant and belittling to my children when they visit. But it makes so much sense as to why in all my adult relationships, I have looked for people who I could trust that would not hurt me, yet still managed to choose the ones who would. Differential association, (or face to face learning). So agreed with the video, that our core wiring happens in the early years. And to get help with reprogramming while an adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
    Hmmm, this video was very interesting. It actually made me a bit sad. I was able to see much truth in his points. When I reflect back on my childhood and wonder why I do not have much memory recall, I attribute it to exactly this. That I do not know that I don't know. All I do know though, was that I tried very hard to forget most of it. (and then I wonder how much of my brain is possibly damaged, ha ha).

    At any rate, it was always a goal of mine to be a better parent than my own parents were. In many ways I do feel I am a much better parent to my own children now, and even have to put my parents in their places when they are ignorant and belittling to my children when they visit. But it makes so much sense as to why in all my adult relationships, I have looked for people who I could trust that would not hurt me, yet still managed to choose the ones who would. Differential association, (or face to face learning). So agreed with the video, that our core wiring happens in the early years. And to get help with reprogramming while an adult.
    Yes, I have been struck by the writings of Alice Miller on child abuse.

    And also by the writings of Lloyd deMause.

    Alice Miller was a wonderful therapist while Lloyd wrote the history of child abuse. And together they give a complete picture.

    And together they inform my whole thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    didnt yet watch OP video: but i am just wondering how many people were [sexually] abused and repressed it, i've heard that the number is quite big, and reading about ssome therapies that go very deep, it's amazing how many people relive those memories. it could be much more present than it seems.
    Always take deep therapies with a grain of salt. Often times what is dug up is fiction.
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