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    Misdiagnosis, over medicating and being prescribed the wrong medication is a serious problem in the US. That being said, we've come a long way in regards to mental health care. Not treating depression, bi polar disorder, schizophrenia, etc. is a ridiculous suggestion. I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on the subject personally?

    As for ADHD, I've been giving my son omega 3 and he has been a lot calmer and attentive in class. As for my anxiety, when I gave up drinking caffeine, my anxiety decreased quite a bit, so no need for lexapro. That didn't however deter my Dr from asking me if I wanted to refill my prescription for adderall even though I haven't taken that in years.
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    its just stupid (lack of functional imagination=understanding how psychological structure functions, natural in teenagers) to believe that such a thing as pathology does not exist as something that is functionally different from a lack of pathology in a categorical way.

    all that talk about insane people "are just different" makes only in so far sense, as most "normal" people are neurotic, meaning they are pathological too, only in a different way.

    and that is because psychological pathology is not limited to the individual, ever, but types of pathologies meaning specific forms of structural limitations/blocks are.

    non-pathology is an exception in a literally insane world/culture. nevertheless non-pathology is an ideal that must be strived towards. if that is correct english. therefore it must be destinquished from pathology.

    there are like nine scientifically proven stages of developement and neurotic pathology as a mass phenomenon is indicated by how little percent of the population developes past the stage which is the home of a neurotic block, which is stage 3 or so, depending on how you count. human nature itself is struggeling to produce a functional fruit. we should facilitate.


    thus the only valid reason against "cure", that i can think of, is that cure is frequently not possible, in clinical reality. it is, in those cases, a farce, mere violence, the patient is bullied into obedience to society, meaning that his pathology is converted into a more standart type of neurosis or personality disorder. the goal of the "cure" is ill defined and there are financial agendas behind such definitions.

    one version is this "behavioral" therapy: you get treated poorly, and you get scared by their attempts to take away personal powers/independence (writing attests about your identity and capabilities, etc) so you learn not to ask for treatment again. then, if you can get a job, you are declared healthy. its god for the finances of a clinic, if they can mass produce "healthy" people in little time.

    i take my experience from germany, of course. america is different but not better.

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    Oh don't worry....there's no fucking cure ...
    But.
    Why don't you want them to be cured?
    Because by curing them you cure their 'genius' ?
    What kind of argument is that?

    Is mental pain less valid than physical pain?
    Curing a broken leg is ok but...curing a person who suffers from BPD is ...not?

    Oh...people get much more empathic when the pain is out in the open...and if you can actually see it.

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    A lot of artists and writers have been inspired by their horrible childhoods or tragic events. Therefore, we should not try to remove children from unfit homes or try to prevent accidents, or try to save lives with medical treatment, because we could be preventing the development of the next Beethoven.

    edit: [/sarcasm]

    By the way, it'd be slightly less blatant cheating if you at least asked for points against your argument (so you could think about counterarguments). The whole point of a philosophy class is developing logical arguments, not stealing them off the internet....
    -end of thread-

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    Psychosis isn't genius. That's where the (possible) genius ends, and the insanity begins.

    What do you mean 'we should not try saving lives with medical treatment'? You should actually ask someone who suffers from Bipolar Disorder if 'he wants people to try to fix him with medical treatment'. You do actually realize that they are creative only when they are slightly manic, which doesn't really lasts as much as the depression. And some don't really get manic, just depressed. And depressed people are NOT creative. (not to mention the suicide risk). That's the price they pay.

    The pain is invisible.

    Are they worth 'trying to be saved'?

    YES.

    You just don't get it, because in the best case scenario, you are ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    A lot of artists and writers have been inspired by their horrible childhoods or tragic events. Therefore, we should not try to remove children from unfit homes or try to prevent accidents, or try to save lives with medical treatment, because we could be preventing the development of the next Beethoven.
    Seriously?
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Probably some sort of subluxation, pinched nerves in the spine, gets the brain and body in a knot. unknot the body, unknot the mind. possible!
    There is hypnosis too, quack like a chicken, because heavens an unhealthy endocrine system can't possibly be related to issues. possible!
    I'm sure there are explainable reasons why people enjoy labels and feeling comfortable by them, I hope its not a medical pyramid scheme. Sort out the symptoms and give extra care and more drugs to counter drugs that have side effects on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlily View Post
    Seriously?
    no.
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    I don't understand your argument. You are saying that because someone has a mental illness (I use that term loosely to describe some of the orders you say above), they should NOT be cured because of their contributions to society with their "extreme intelligence" and on the definition of normal being subjective?

    Bipolar disorder disrupts a person's livelihood and most of the time causes great personal grief. ADD causes children and adults (although this one is very often misdiagnosed/overdiagnosed) to have great difficulties in everyday functioning such as excelling in school or in a job. Dyslexia?! Really, how could not helping someone with this be beneficial in ANY WAY!?

    Autism!? People with severe autism may often be extremely intelligent, but what good does that do them or the people who love them if they can't even look people in the eyes or communicate? High functioning people with autism maybe, but those who are locked in their own heads? What kind of standard of living is that?

    Schizophrenia? Aside from A Beautiful Mind ;s relatively happy ending about a genius who has paranoid delusions, I fail once again to see how not helping a person with this disorder is the right thing to do. Would you want to go around, not knowing what is real and what isn't? Second guessing everything you see or hear because it could be faulty?

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