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    Once upon a time I studied in an institution.

    One of my professors was an expert of the Etruscan studies.
    Etruscan studies?
    Of the Etruscans we know nothing.

    Where did the Etruscans come from? What was their language?
    Why they had the most advanced civilization in their time?
    Where they had learned to plumb? To build water pipe networks?
    Central heating? Modern bathrooms? Post delivery? The construction of roads?
    The employment of the perspective in drawing? Realistic sculpture?

    How can you be an expert of the Etruscan studies?
    What studies?

    The words are in the song.
    Nobody knows.


    Enneagram 3. What is it?

    What is the difference between the deliberate image builder and the unconscious image builder?
    The explicit difference between the charlatan and the poet?

    Toss the coin.

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    Your thread is very philosophical or theoretical or something. I don't know what you are asking so I don't know what to answer.

    But because I want to post to this thread, I just want to say that it is interesting to read the threads you start because they are always something totally different than in other threads.
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    I understand that frequently the way you write is the only way to fully encompass what you actually mean. I just wish I could understand it, because I would probably be one step closer to enlightenment. I'm being totally serious.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    Your thread is very philosophical or theoretical or something. I don't know what you are asking so I don't know what to answer.

    But because I want to post to this thread, I just want to say that it is interesting to read the threads you start because they are always something totally different than in other threads.
    Thank you.

    What I wanted to say is this. You can be an expert on Greek and Roman history and languages. They exist. You can see their culture and language from the inside. Through their language and literature you can reach them.

    Etruscan is not deciphered. And even if it were, there is no material to work on. Just a few scattered sentences here and there.

    There is no Etruscan studies. It is a sham.

    The idea is to make a persona. Behind the persona there is no face.

    The Etruscans are respected. The expert of the Etruscan studies is also respected.

    It is a way to get power and money. People do not know that the Etruscan culture and history and language cannot be examined.
    You can go through all the Etruscan studies in a day.

    The expert of the Etruscan studies was a deliberate image builder. A charlatan.

    Ingmar Bergman made movies. He was a master of Make Believe.
    His father was a priest. He was punished as a child because he told stories.

    Stories of course are not true.
    Etruscan studies are true.

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    very interesting wildcat- your threads are always like my first sip of Guarana soda to me- somehow familiar, but I can never quite pin them down :sad:

    Etruscan studies would be studying a people who nobody CAN understand- no matter what- all of the Etruscans are dead or long long since assimilated, therefore thier culture no longer exists and all we have left of them are the bones of thier civilization

    studying Etruscan society is like studying humanity through the left over bones- it requires a lot of imagination

    A type 3 is a self made person- a chameleon of sorts if you will- who is quite difficult to understand as well since what you have to study is what they give you to study- rather like studying covert government operations in an academic setting- you'll never get the unflattering papers to study

    An enneagram type 3 has the flesh though that the Etruscan civilization no longer has- you can observe them much like Jane Goodall with the Gorillas and come to some type of understanding- the Etruscans are all dead and gone- we'll never have that opportunity again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I understand that frequently the way you write is the only way to fully encompass what you actually mean. I just wish I could understand it, because I would probably be one step closer to enlightenment. I'm being totally serious.
    For the sake of enlightenment (in the disguise of Alcearos The Rousseau and Metamorphosis The Voltaire) I have tried to be more explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    very interesting wildcat- your threads are always like my first sip of Guarana soda to me- somehow familiar, but I can never quite pin them down :sad:

    Etruscan studies would be studying a people who nobody CAN understand- no matter what- all of the Etruscans are dead or long long since assimilated, therefore thier culture no longer exists and all we have left of them are the bones of thier civilization

    studying Etruscan society is like studying humanity through the left over bones- it requires a lot of imagination

    A type 3 is a self made person- a chameleon of sorts if you will- who is quite difficult to understand as well since what you have to study is what they give you to study- rather like studying covert government operations in an academic setting- you'll never get the unflattering papers to study

    An enneagram type 3 has the flesh though that the Etruscan civilization no longer has- you can observe them much like Jane Goodall with the Gorillas and come to some type of understanding- the Etruscans are all dead and gone- we'll never have that opportunity again
    How true. The Etruscans are dead.

    But the Greeks and the Romans are alive because we can read their language.
    Only after we have gone the Greeks and the Romans will be gone.

    Only the gods live forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Thank you.

    What I wanted to say is this. You can be an expert on Greek and Roman history and languages. They exist. You can see their culture and language from the inside. Through their language and literature you can reach them.

    Etruscan is not deciphered. And even if it were, there is no material to work on. Just a few scattered sentences here and there.

    There is no Etruscan studies. It is a sham.

    The idea is to make a persona. Behind the persona there is no face.

    The Etruscans are respected. The expert of the Etruscan studies is also respected.

    It is a way to get power and money. People do not know that the Etruscan culture and history and language cannot be examined.
    You can go through all the Etruscan studies in a day.

    The expert of the Etruscan studies was a deliberate image builder. A charlatan.

    Ingmar Bergman made movies. He was a master of Make Believe.
    His father was a priest. He was punished as a child because he told stories.

    Stories of course are not true.
    Etruscan studies are true.
    Now it makes more sense! Thank you for explaining.

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    here is a more applicable (albeit probably unpopular) question: do people participate in a forum to spend time deciphering unnecessary vagueness or to actually discuss things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Thank you.

    What I wanted to say is this. You can be an expert on Greek and Roman history and languages. They exist. You can see their culture and language from the inside. Through their language and literature you can reach them.

    Etruscan is not deciphered. And even if it were, there is no material to work on. Just a few scattered sentences here and there.

    There is no Etruscan studies. It is a sham.

    The idea is to make a persona. Behind the persona there is no face.

    The Etruscans are respected. The expert of the Etruscan studies is also respected.

    It is a way to get power and money. People do not know that the Etruscan culture and history and language cannot be examined.
    You can go through all the Etruscan studies in a day.

    The expert of the Etruscan studies was a deliberate image builder. A charlatan.

    Ingmar Bergman made movies. He was a master of Make Believe.
    His father was a priest. He was punished as a child because he told stories.

    Stories of course are not true.
    Etruscan studies are true.
    So what you're saying is that this person is making up everything about the Etruscans because nothing is actually known, and selling it to people who don't know any better? That seems a bit devious on their part.

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