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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post

    What you've drawn up is just an another classification scheme...after criticizing classification schemes as inappropriate tools for studying personality...
    I couldn't agree more.

    What a waste of time and effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    I couldn't agree more.

    What a waste of time and effort.
    Oh, ye of little understanding...

    This isn't a classification scheme. It's a model of the building blocks of experience. Since it takes EVERYTHING into account, as opposed to other typological schemes which do nothing like that, it's more comprehensive and able to predict ALL personality differences and quirks, including all disorders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    I would prefer to get away from the term cognitive processes altogether. Let's make a brand new personality theory.
    I have a new theory.

    How about personality FLAVORS?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Oh, ye of little understanding...

    This isn't a classification scheme. It's a model of the building blocks of experience. Since it takes EVERYTHING into account, as opposed to other typological schemes which do nothing like that, it's more comprehensive and able to predict ALL personality differences and quirks, including all disorders.
    Yeah, I know it's only a rough draft at this point, but I don't forsee it selling like hotcakes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    I have a new theory.

    How about personality FLAVORS?


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    Talk to kyuuei about that. (Really.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Yeah, I know it's only a rough draft at this point, but I don't forsee it selling like hotcakes.
    Would you have preferred if we started with a final draft and worked backwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Would you have preferred if we started with a final draft and worked backwards?
    Of course not. But since Ti is heavily involved, I forsee it sputtering out like a fart in the grand scheme of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Of course not. But since Ti is heavily involved, I forsee it sputtering out like a fart in the grand scheme of things.
    Well, you could always try contributing instead of detracting.

    If you had to break down the components of your EXPERIENCE, how would you do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    How far can cognitive functions go when catorgorizing personality? And/Or what are the barriers that keep cognitive functions from describing the entire human psyche? Why can this not describe as a whole? I often hear that this puts us in a box, what stops it from putting us in there entirely?
    Cognitive functions can describe the entirety of ONE framework for understanding cognition. In that framework, it is all expansive.

    But that framework isn't very useful in most situations.

    It's just like talking about neurotransmitters -- sometimes it's a nice little framework, but most of the time it doesn't say shit about nuanced personality.

    MBTI is just a set of adjectives. If there's a situation where other adjectives have more descriptive power, you should use those.

    I see people trying to twist all sorts of nonsense into the MBTI framework -- it makes no sense to me. If you can minimize description length with functions, do it. If not, don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    See, I would totally disagree. Anytime you reference a model, you move from the territory to the map and you begin abstracting who the person is, rather than just "taking them in." You get to know your ideas of who the person is as opposed to the person themselves. That really the opposite of accuracy.

    You find this with typology, too. You can pidgeonhole someone (or be pidgeonholed yourself) into some type and then think you really know them. But you only get to know the part of them that's consistent with your expectations and assumptions. You're essentially relating to a role, rather than to the person. If you give up those roles, you suddenly see the person in a more complete light and you actually understand them. You have intimacy.
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