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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Are you actually going to make a worthwhile contribution to this thread or are you just going to keep indirectly dissing me? 'Cos you're a bit late to that party.
    I wasn't just talking about you, egoist! /Fe fail

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I wasn't just talking about you, egoist! /Fe fail
    No. You were talking about your favourite subject: failing.

    You weren't talking about the OP anyway.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    No. You were talking about your favourite subject: failing.

    You weren't talking about the OP anyway.
    That thread was actually a great example of Ti vs. Fe. The Ti-doms got offended that "truth above all" wasn't being upheld as a moral principle, so they went on the attack in an irrational manner with their inferior Fe use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    That thread was actually a great example of Ti vs. Fe. The Ti-doms got offended that "truth above all" wasn't being upheld as a moral principle, so they went on the attack in an irrational manner with their inferior Fe use.
    Untrue. It was a 9 (Peace at any price) vs. 5 (Truth at any cost) showdown.

    5 won, naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Untrue. It was a 9 (Peace at any price) vs. 5 (Truth at any cost) showdown.

    5 won, naturally.
    No, that's not what it was at all. Doesn't surprise me you'd think that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    No, that's not what it was at all. Doesn't surprise me you'd think that though.
    That's exactly what it was.
    And no one got offended or attacked anyone. It was a debate about principle. I played devil's advocate. You gave up under cross-examination.
    Basically.

    Let's not rehash it here though, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    LOL

    Loch=Lake
    Heh, reminds me of all the times I lol at the Hwang Ho River or Iwo Jima Island.

    Anyway, can we go back to the important question? Is it black or white or a different colour today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    That's the first interesting thing you've said in this thread. Well done.

    We are starting to refine a hypothesis. I think the motivation for lying comes from Fe. The execution is something else, perhaps?

    Can the motivation come from a function other than Fe?
    Conscious motivation for anything comes from Feeling (either Fe or Fi).
    Unconscious motivation for anything comes from Intuition (either Ne or Ni).

    Fi could easily make the conscious decision to lie. It all depends on the narrative the user has.

    An Fi narrative would be "telling the truth compromises my personal values".
    An Fe narrative would be "telling the truth is inappropriate".

    The person's idea of personal values or appropriateness is dependent on so many factors that you can't really make much of a valid point blaming one Feeling function more than another.

    I guess I got so argumentative because it's absurdly presumptuous to think the use of one feeling function over the other (which all people use both of anyway) is "responsible" for a large-scale societal view. The functions have nothing to do with this.

    You're saying that some assholes are consciously motivated by Fe. I agree with that. Some assholes are consciously motivated by Fi, too, though.

    It's not like people that use Ti are somehow less susceptible to being assholes, either.

    I'd rather talk about certain archetypes of assholes than MBTI here. You're just setting this simplified framework on top of an issue that'd be much more clearly described with normal words. (Edit: the consequence of doing this is losing a significant amount of information and making sweeping conclusions about groups based on the actions of very few.)

    MBTI really just doesn't do it for this discussion.

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    Wow. This thread is riddled with absurd ideas.

    Yes, I'm an Ne dom. No, I'm not narrow-minded, but some ideas are just too stupid to consider.


    In case you missed it or thought you were seeing things, Morgan Le Fay ACTUALLY SAID:
    I think the motivation for lying comes from Fe.
    At this point, I see no point in asking Morgan Le Fay for an explanation. This idea is so unreasonable, it only deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.


    And Evan ACTUALLY SAID:
    Conscious motivation for anything comes from Feeling (either Fe or Fi).
    Unconscious motivation for anything comes from Intuition (either Ne or Ni).
    Evan---I'm making a conscious effort not to laugh heartily at this statement.

    I can't imagine where you're getting this from.

    Please explain it, if you can.




    Incidentally, it sometimes takes non-NTs to reign in the insanity of what I call "hyper-logic".

    Consider this:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post

    I would say that each function has its own truth and blind-spot, which is why in reality none of them are expressed in isolation of each other, and why we weigh pros and cons based on our own cognitive vantage points.
    Agreed.
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    You're just inclined to agree with most magnanimous statements. As much as I might not agree with a "crazy" idea, nothing irks me more than the unwillingness of people to explore taboo topics or topics that in theory would marginalize or set apart certain types or functions. So much for open-mindedness. It's not like we are ruling the world and dictating its rules, its dos and do nots from this here forum.

    I don't get your implication with
    Yes, I'm an Ne dom. No, I'm not narrow-minded, but some ideas are just too stupid to consider.
    . How is Ne related to open-mindedness?

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