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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmilou View Post
    I thought this thread was going to be about who would win a fight. How disappointing

    Edit: If the topic shifts to that my guess is Jung. He was a big man. Although Freud would be all coked up so some crazy stuff would go down.
    I think Jung, he travelled to the East and probably picked up Kung Fu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Freud gave psychology a big kick in the ass to move it forward. Even if his theories are now obsolete, and one may ridiculize some of his stuff, I admire he had balls to start this.

    To me he's quite an inventor/explorer.


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    Most NFs I know are quite attracted to the zodiac.
    Mom has a ton of books about this, she used to read all that stuff to me...it was interesting.
    Is it NF if you have "loads of books on it", I mean, wouldnt reading and then theorising and applying be NT rather than NF?

    The thing about the Zodiac and esoteric ideas is that rather than simply dismiss them all Jung deconstructed them and looked for perrenial ego and consciousness serving symbolic concepts, pretty awesome, more useful than simply suggesting it was all repressed sexuality as Freud did.

    Also I reckon that Jung was better than Freud because his theories about repression and projection took into account the degree to which emotion or affect where repressed, in all instances, rather than sexuality or emotions attached to sexuality.

    That said I think properly understood Freud is not as crazy as a hell of a lot of people make out, the Oepidus (spelling) and Electra complexes existed in cultural frames for reference for a long time before and since his theorising, although not strictly or exclusively sexual the status of child-parent relationships vis-a-vis parent-spouse can be pretty important.

    Reich and Alex Lowen where nearer the mark in their version of the complex. Likewise Jungian analysis of the complex as relating to an archetype or archetypical relationship, symbolically, as opposed to exclusively sexually, just makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is it NF if you have "loads of books on it", I mean, wouldnt reading and then theorising and applying be NT rather than NF?
    Let's not forget that:

    INFJ dom loop = Ni+Ti
    ENFP dom loop = Ne+Te

    NFs definitely seem to be interested in reading and theorizing.

    I think it's their F component being stronger than their T component that tends to make them more open to astrology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is it NF if you have "loads of books on it", I mean, wouldnt reading and then theorising and applying be NT rather than NF?
    SP is about realizing how it all plays out based off of experiences you have already had. Was reading a book about "stubborn children" and all kinds of situations with adults, myself included played out within the book even upto 50+ years old, yet this book was written about children.
    Im out, its been fun

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    I still associate reading, theorising and applying knowledge, in that sequence with NT.

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    That shouldn't be to the exclusion of NFs engaging in those same activities, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That shouldn't be to the exclusion of NFs engaging in those same activities, though...
    I wouldnt exclude anyone from this sort of pattern of cognitive functioning but I would say that empathising, theorising and experiential learning as opposed to applied knowledge would be a pattern which I could consider more congruent with NF.

    Although each to their own really, while fitting the respective types I think it can be and is pretty nuanced, it can be eschewed as a result of training, ideology, work, family, all those kinds of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I still associate reading, theorising and applying knowledge, in that sequence with NT.
    With me its reading-understanding-applying knowledge. I see way to many people think they understand and then theorize ontop a theory and apply based on that false understanding. I just feel like going
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    With me its reading-understanding-applying knowledge. I see way to many people think they understand and then theorize ontop a theory and apply based on that false understanding. I just feel like going
    Perhaps I know what you mean but I think there's a dichotomy between book learning and experiential/emoting led learning, of course a combination of the two is the win but people will be just inclined more to one or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Perhaps I know what you mean but I think there's a dichotomy between book learning and experiential/emoting led learning, of course a combination of the two is the win but people will be just inclined more to one or the other.
    But why are we limiting this to F? If we are not then where is experiential thinking?

    Book(outside) learning - F based or T based
    Experiential(inside) learning - F based or T based

    I am exiting this though as I know nothing about Freud or Jung. I am more about experiential learning and I have yet to experience them.
    Im out, its been fun

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