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    I don't feel completely qualified to choose since I've read hella more Jung than Freud.

    There's a reason for that though. Freud annoys me, Jung doesn't. I dunno, I accept and acknowledge Freud is basically the grandpappy of most modern psychology and I respect a lot of his ideas. It's just, it seems when he goes wrong he goes like mega-mega wrong.

    I don't think Jung is perfect, but his thought process and ideas appeal to me more because they're more fluid and pliable to me. More useful to a broader range of folks, not so rigid.

    If that made any kind of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondBest View Post
    I'd agree with your assessment of Jung, though without being able to cite examples, I am skeptical of what I interpret to mean "humane" in describing Freud. He is or was interested in humanity, certainly, but not too certain about his "humaneness" in personal quality, especially with regard to his relationship with other people. Speculative, but I thought I'd throw that out there...
    I've just heard Freud described as a "deeply compassionate" therapist who was committed to his patients... which isn't the persona one gets from his writings. Of course, that's all umpteenth hand. That doesn't mean he was a paragon of virtue in his personal life, either.

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    Gloriana, I think modern psychology was developed in opposition to Freud, rather than based on his ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I've just heard him described as a "deeply compassionate" therapist who was committed to his patients... which isn't the persona one gets from his writings. Of course, that's all umpteenth hand. That doesn't mean he was a paragon of virtue in his personal life, either.
    Ah, OK. Fair enough. I could definitely see him being an excellent therapist, but yeah it's definitely not there in his writings - which was the only thing I was basing my speculation on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondBest View Post
    I could definitely see him [Jung] being an excellent therapist...
    C'mon, Jung sexually abused his female patients.

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    I thought this thread was going to be about who would win a fight. How disappointing

    Edit: If the topic shifts to that my guess is Jung. He was a big man. Although Freud would be all coked up so some crazy stuff would go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Gloriana, I think modern psychology was developed in opposition to Freud, rather than based on his ideas.
    I'm not so sure about that. They might decry his theories and methods, but so much can be attributed directly to his innovations. The client-therapist one-on-one configuration (personal "therapy") was Freud's idea. The idea that one's history was relevant to resolving their issues was Freud's idea. Ego was Freud's. Avoidance, rationalization, and intellectualization to avoid certain anxieties...all Freud's. Maybe the behavioralists don't use Freud at all (agreed) but the Freudians, Neo-Freudians (Jung included), Gestalt therapists, and Transactional Analysts all rely on Freud's model significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    The idea that one's history was relevant to resolving their issues was Freud's idea. Ego was Freud's. Avoidance, rationalization, and intellectualization to avoid certain anxieties...all Freud's.
    I think it's pretty safe to say that all of those ideas were expounded on by thinkers prior to Freud (thousands of years before, in some cases).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. They might decry his theories and methods, but so much can be attributed directly to his innovations. The client-therapist one-on-one configuration (personal "therapy") was Freud's idea. The idea that one's history was relevant to resolving their issues was Freud's idea. Ego was Freud's. Avoidance, rationalization, and intellectualization to avoid certain anxieties...all Freud's. Maybe the behavioralists don't use Freud at all (agreed) but the Freudians, Neo-Freudians (Jung included), Gestalt therapists, and Transactional Analysts all rely on Freud's model significantly.
    Did someone actually have to come up with the bolded idea?
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