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    What I don't understand is that introverts need times alone too. Where is the difference between the introvert's need for alone time and the extrovert's need for alone time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    What I don't understand is that introverts need times alone too. Where is the difference between the introvert's need for alone time and the extrovert's need for alone time?
    Exactly. This is part of the reason why I asked... to try to clarify that in my mind however I'm not becoming clearer on it but I am finding the answers fascinating for other reasons. Easily distracted.

    I have had times where I have thought that the whole introvert/extrovert thing might in fact be bogus and doesn't really exist but I have since refined my thinking on that and now think that it's most likely like a bell curve graph where the bulk of people probably fall close to the same place on the introvert/extrovert graph or scale but the extreme cases are actually where we get our definitions of introversion and extroversion. They stand out the most.

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    In MBTI, the I/E dichotomy is often seen as the most superficial, because your introvert/extrovert conterpart share the same functions with you. But actually, every dichotomy are superficial. MBTI can't stuck you in a box, it's an indicator first and last. By the way, I've changed my mind about my MBTI type.
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    The other problem is that there is a misunderstanding about extraversion / introversion. Introverts aren't asocial anymore than extraverts are social necessarily. Introversion simply means that you are more interested in your subjective experience of life and reality than you are about what's going on outside yourself, as I understand it.

    In the following pages I shall attempt a general description of the types, and my first concern must be with the two general types I have termed introverted and extraverted. But, in addition, I shall also try to give a certain characterization of those special types whose particularity is due to the fact that his most differentiated function plays the principal role in an individual's adaptation or orientation to life. The former I would term general attitude types, since they are distinguished by the direction of general interest or libido movement, while the latter I would call function-types.

    The general-attitude types, as I have pointed out more than once, are differentiated by their particular attitude to the object. The introvert's attitude to the object is an abstracting one; at bottom, he is always facing the problem of how libido can be withdrawn from the object, as though an attempted ascendancy on. the part of the object had to be continually frustrated. The extravert, on the contrary, maintains a positive relation to the object. To such an extent does he affirm its importance that his subjective attitude is continually being orientated by, and related to the object. An fond, the object can never have sufficient value; for him, therefore, its importance must always be paramount.

    The two types are so essentially different, presenting so striking a contrast, that their existence, even to the [p. 413] uninitiated in psychological matters becomes an obvious fact, when once attention has been drawn to it. Who does not know those taciturn, impenetrable, often shy natures, who form such a vivid contrast to these other open, sociable, serene maybe, or at least friendly and accessible characters, who are on good terms with all the world, or, even when disagreeing with it, still hold a relation to it by which they and it are mutually affected.
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    Introvert = relation of object to subject. "Reality" is processed through the subject.
    Extravert = relation of subject to object. The "subject", the individual consciousness, orients itself to external reality.

    For the introvert, internal reality has more resonance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    By the way, I've changed my mind about my MBTI type.
    Really? Why is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Introvert = relation of object to subject. "Reality" is processed through the subject.
    Extravert = relation of subject to object. The "subject", the individual consciousness, orients itself to external reality.

    For the introvert, internal reality has more resonance.
    I feel on the border of both introvert and extrovert. Confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I feel on the border of both introvert and extrovert. Confusing.
    Not a problem.
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    Me, too. Very much on the border. Can't seem to get through customs on either side...
    oh wait! I don't need to get through customs, once I've succeeded in dominating the world!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post

    I feel on the border of both introvert and extrovert. Confusing.
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    A lot. It's hard to be social all the time.
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    I'm pretty split between introversion and extroversion, too. (Most people here believe I'm an extrovert, and I did as well for a long time.) I spend almost all of my time alone after work. I see other people in a social setting about once or twice a month for a few hours, and even then, it's in small numbers. How do I know if I need to be alone or if I need to be others? I don't seem to have an indicator anywhere... Being alone has become the norm for me now, but for all I know, it's bad for me.

    I tend to think that whether I'm alone or with others is irrelevant. Whether I end up alone or socializing has more to do with my thoughts, motives, and feelings at any given moment. Socializing will either help me or hinder depending on what I've got going on in my mind. Sometimes it's a distraction, sometimes it's a pursuit.
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