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    Ridiculous and NO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    What are your feelings about functioning people being put on 'low dose' antidepressants?
    Unnecessary IMHO. I agree with sLiPpY that the focus should be on teaching people. I also believe in the power of prayer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    Ridiculous and NO!
    Oops, sorries <3 I lost focus and went off topic ...

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    I meant for the OP when I read the title Is depression a benefit in disguise?

    You are right, there is prozac in the water and much worse things too. I disagree with the OP's thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
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    I meant for the OP when I read the title Is depression a benefit in disguise?

    You are right, there is prozac in the water and much worse things too. I disagree with the OP's thoughts.
    okay, no problem. BTW Synapse, I'm with you on this. I don't think there's any benefit to depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Feeling blue because you are experiencing problems of one kind or another isn't depression, it's just life. It doesn't become a mood disorder unless it is disproportionate to circumstances.
    I think culturally we've gotten to a point where many have 'forgotten' or haven't even been taught that low-level depression/sadness/dissatisfaction is a part of life (as you say), and might even last for a number of months until the situation is resolved or the person comes to terms with things. I think there is less of an acceptance/awareness these days that it's o.k. - even normal - to be down and out at times. Many might jump straight to the meds. I believe this contributes to inflated %'s of depressed people as cited in the OP.

    Not sure about the whole adaptive piece of this, but I do think navigating through low-level depression can foster better self-awareness and potentially create more resilience and strength for future situations. And, as others have mentioned, depression is a powerful indicator that something or other is off-kilter in your life.

    Of course you then have depression caused by chemical imbalances or the like, which would be a different story I suppose - but that would be a pretty small % of individuals... certainly not the 30-50% (although personally I think/believe that society as it is now, and as the majority try to adhere to, is going to exacerbate depression..I think many aspects of it are out of balance)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Depression is a radical expression of honesty. How can we be happy in this blood-soaked abattoir?
    It's all in ones mind. Try focusing on simple things and not the stressors.

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    Everything is one's mind in some form. Some people see reality by overlooking the endless cycle of suffering and trauma. Some people can't see anything but the suffering and trauma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectgirl View Post
    It's all in ones mind. Try focusing on simple things and not the stressors.
    Ha, yeah, easier said than done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    Ever since I've known my friend, Becky, she has taken a half dose of antidepressants to get her through her days. For 14 years or so now she has never pursued counseling or tried seriously to change her hectic life in any real way, even though she did try quitting her antidepressants at one point, which didn't last very long. I have watched her struggle and suffer in a typical American mother way; stressed out from work, over-indulging her children, unhappy in her marriage, rewarding herself with unhealthy behaviors; always popping her antidepressant to get her through.
    Sounds like a modern woman dealing with a multitude of common complexities the wrong way.

    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    She isn't the only friend I have who takes a daily pill to take the edge off. It is sad fact that most of the women I have hung out with in the past decade, and called friend, have predominantly either been on antidepressants, or been prescribed them by physicians or therapists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    My friend is now abusing alcohol at a faster rate than she did previously, and she has taken on other abusive coping mechanisms, such as overeating. She has verbalized a lot lately about "feeling old" and seems a bit ragged. I can't help but wonder if she had just made some necessary life changes or considered some new ways of being in her world and in her family years ago, and avoided a pharmacological approach out of her fear of "depression" or to help with living her anxious life, she would be far healthier today and looking into her midlife with excitement, not apprehension and ill health.
    If she had grown some courage, stayed in good physical condition, and gotten a grip that despite the crosses in life she has to bear, she has it a whole lot better than a woman her age in the third world, she'd be having a wonderful life. I know so damn happy women between the ages of 30-70, and all of them are assertive, are in shape, and have a life outlook that is aware of big-picture circustances of the human experience.

    I don't have alot of pity for your friend(s) at this point, and I'm not saying that to be mean. There are just as amny fat, drunk, dissatisfied men with a bad attitude strung across this nation, popping SSRIs, and wondering when things will get better. Life gets better when the person living it accepts responsibility for their own happiness and pursues it in an honorable manner. That is the only way to make it over the long haul, from what I have witnessed.

    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    I am not saying depression should never be treated. But by assuming it is a disease that needs to be cured, and by turning to pills to do so, we are ensuring the viscious cycle be perpetuated.
    Maybe you are saying what I think, but differently. I think "anti-depressants" are OVER-PRESCRIBED, and I think that the people who REALLY NEED THEM are a small minority of these who REGULARLY TAKE THEM ON AN ONGOING BASIS.

    Think about it. It's the perfect psychological storm. SSRIs "fix" (aka "mask the symptoms of") a myriad of common ailments, from premature ejaculation, to anxiety, depression, OCD, ADHD, etc, you name it, and some variant of SSRISNRI/Combo is out there in some dosage to treat it.

    They are mistakenly thought of as a PANACEA by many physicians.

    WHY?

    (1) They are inexpensive
    (2) They have no "street value" like valium/xanax/clonipin/etc.
    (3) They claims to be "non-addictive" but I dare any doctor who touts that shit to take SSRIs for six months straight and then stop them cold turkey. Non addictive? MY ASS. People go into fits of neurotic symptoms and other forms of mental/physical dysfunction when they suddenly cease use of SSRIs/SNRIs/etc.

    But the reality is, they DON'T CURE ANYTHING. They just mask the symptoms of many common ailments. Some of these ailments have a genuine psychological origin, and some of them are merely the discomforts of people that have developed a dysfunctional life attitude via some sort of selfishness/immaturity/etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    What do you think? What are your feelings about functioning people being put on 'low dose' antidepressants?
    I think you get the gist of my thoughts above.

    Some of the most difficult years of my marriage were when my wife tried Prozac, Paxil, Wellbutrin, then Zoloft for almost 2 years in order to deal with debilitating anxiety attacks she began to experience in our early twenties. She became distant, somewhat selfish, and devoid of any real emotional range, and had no libido. She got herself off that shit, thank God, and tackled the anxiety on her own with counseling, exercise, yoga, etc. and now she has had things under control for quite some time. No SSRI/SNRI/etc. ever gave her any real relief. She was constantly "jumpy", she couldn't sleep, she was "in space" quite often, and she just felt plain "bad."

    I think doctors who treat anyone with SSRIs/SNRIs/etc. who wouldn't otherwise be in an institution or at least demonstrated emotional torment should lose their license.

    I think SSRIs, like welfare, should be administered with other things to get the person off of needing them, like counseling, or in the case of welfare, job training or military enlistment.

    I have much pity for those who truly have serious issues to deal with for psychological (emotional trauma, etc.) or biochemical (genetic/inheritance) reasons, but none for lazy, selfish, whiners.
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