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    I appreciate your attempt at revisionist history, but it only takes a quick paste to remind ourselves of what really happened:

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    No astronomer believes in astrology.
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    No wonder onemoretime thinks you're the smartest poster on here.

    You share the same characteristic: you say completely false statements while thinking you're absolutely right.
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    An astronomer is only a phone call away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    One astronomer not believing in astrology doesn't mean no astronomer believes in astrology.

    Pretty... simple... logic... there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I appreciate your attempt at revisionist history, but it only takes a quick paste to remind ourselves of what really happened:
    C'mon, you are batting 81% to 14%.

    I always admire those who support lost causes.

    And sitting on 14%, I find much to admire in your cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, you are batting 81% to 14%.

    I always admire those who support lost causes.

    And sitting on 14%, I find much to admire in your cause.
    I don't even know what you're talking about; but it was dumb.


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    Night:

    Did I present it as anything other than anecdotal evidence?

    And what, pray tell, is necessarily wrong with anecdotal evidence?

    I gave the facts: if that was mere random chance, it was 1/144.

    If that's what you want to believe, then feel free.

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    All I said is that it was enough to prompt me to learn more about astrology.

    Do you know much about astrology?

    If not, let me ask you this: what do you think of people who write off ideas without knowing much about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    I think astrology can be viewed similar to MBTI. It's a pathway to self-discovery, nothing more...nothing less.
    An individual may use them that way but I can't accept that they're comparable.

    MBTI is self-report, if you read up on a type and it doesn't sound like you then it prolly isn't and you can keep reading about other types to see if there is another that works.

    Astrology however tells you what you are and if it doesn't fit then you're reading it wrong, or the description you're reading isn't good enough or you must have your birth details wrong and so on. The system isn't wrong, its user error.

    I've never read a description based on my full birth details that offered anything other than some vague antidotes that could fit me padded with a whole bunch more points that are so not me it's humorous, somehow the issue isn't in my results but their quality, their interpretation or what has been inputted, if I say they don't fit the 'expert' tries to explain the points in a different or more vague way so they can be disregard, you seem to be supposed to concentrate only on what fits. When that happens in MBTI you're considered mistyped and keep looking, with astrology, well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    An individual may use them that way but I can't accept that they're comparable.

    MBTI is self-report, if you read up on a type and it doesn't sound like you then it prolly isn't and you can keep reading about other types to see if there is another that works.

    Astrology however tells you what you are and if it doesn't fit then you're reading it wrong, or the description you're reading isn't good enough or you must have your birth details wrong and so on. The system isn't wrong, its user error.

    I've never read a description based on my full birth details that offered anything other than some vague antidotes that could fit me padded with a whole bunch more points that are so not me it's humorous, somehow the issue isn't in my results but their quality, their interpretation or what has been inputted, if I say they don't fit the 'expert' tries to explain the points in a different or more vague way so they can be disregard, you seem to be supposed to concentrate only on what fits. When that happens in MBTI you're considered mistyped and keep looking, with astrology, well...
    outstanding post


    Quote Originally Posted by Ming View Post
    When you are born affects where your planets are in your natal chart; as you are viewing them from Earth. That in turn affects the 'intepretation' of your personality. That is why when you are born, it affects your personality. For example, 30 minutes earlier, the moon might have been in a completely different sign, meaning a completely different way of expressing emotions!
    You don't seem to have explained how different planetary positions actually affect our personalities. All you've established is that the planets are in different places when different people are born.

    Through what physical mechanism do planetary positions have any influence whatsoever on personality?


    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Oh, and for the doubters:

    I am an extremely observant and careful person, and on both of these occasions my wallet was inside the front right pocket of my jeans (as it always is), which were inside the dressing room, which neither of these girls ever entered a single time.

    I think you've made an error in reasoning here when you say that the odds of this happening were 1 in 144.

    Consider the design of astrology. There are distinct personality traits defined as characteristic of each astrological sign. These can be observed and categorized easily by anyone familiar with astrology. In this regard it's exactly like typology.

    The problem comes with the assumption that each of the 12 categories always aligns with a particular set of birth dates/times. But 1 in 12 people, by random chance, will happen to be born at a date/time which aligns with the arbitrarily defined behavioral characteristics of his astrological sign. You are one of these people.

    The fact that two different astrology enthusiasts both recognized personality traits in you that are defined as "Libra" doesn't mean anything special. There's still just a 1 in 12 chance that you're one of the people for whom those two pieces of data happen to align--and if you are one of those people, any number of successive astrology enthusiasts can and will predict your birth date correctly. If you interacted with 1,000 astrology enthusiasts, they'd probably all recognize Libra behavioral traits in you--there's no random chance involved in that. The only random chance is the fact that you happen to be one of the 1 in 12 "Libra personalities" who just so happened to be born on a "Libra date." (The other 11 of every 12 people those clothing store employees pull this shit on will not identify with their astrological predictions--go figure.)

    Astrology is popular because of those 1 in 12 people. For them, it seems miraculous how consistently and accurately people who study astrology can guess their birth dates based on their behavior, but there's nothing miraculous about it. 1,000 astrology enthusiasts in a row might peg you for a Libra after interacting with you, but the odds of that are definitely not 12^1000 to 1. 1 in 12 people will get consistently correct readings over and over again; the other 11 will rarely/never identify with the reading (and this is not even taking into account confirmation bias.)

    If all MBTI types occurred equally often, and we divided the calendar year into 16 pieces and assigned each type to one section of the year, 1 in 16 people would have a birthday aligning with his MBTI type. Let's say INTJs are associated with birth dates from October 1 to October 23.

    If you happen to be an INTJ born between those dates, which 1 in 16 INTJs will be, then anyone who knows about MBTI types will be able to "discern" your birth date based on your behavior--this could happen again and again and again, but it wouldn't be any less probable than 1 in 16, because 1 in 16 INTJs will happen to have that birth date. You don't square the odds every time it happens, because anyone who knows MBTI types can tell that you exhibit INTJ (or Libra, as the case may be) traits.

    Go find one of those clothing store employees and find out how often her guesses are actually accurate. I'll bet you a million dollars it's right around 1 in 12--but for those 1 in 12, she seems like a regular John Edward!

    Not coincidentally, right about 1 in 12 people answered "yes" to this poll, and it's because they're the ones whose birth dates happened to align with the personality traits associated with their astrological sign--so 1 in 12 people will consistently find accurate descriptions of themselves. Their support for astrology invariably rests on personal anecdotal evidence, like your story up there. If you really want to establish any validity for astrological prediction of birth date/time vs. behavior, do a full study on a large number of people.

    Guess what you'll find--it works for about 1 in 12.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    There is no significant correlation between astrological data and your character/future/whatever.
    It's strange to see things like that melt away whenever good statistics comes near. Of course, "measuring" things destroys the "natural" environment.
    Got questions? Ask an ENTP!
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    Indeed. Astrology is just designed in such a way that ~1 in 12 people will happen to get disturbingly correct predictions from it, so it lingers on and on...
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Eyebrows View Post
    Question #1 about natal charts:

    what the hell is a natal chart




    I'm gonna look it up I guess
    Around the 4th post, there is an explanation!

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