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    I don't believe the planets thing or the daily horoscope, but I've had my natal chart done and it was pretty accurate.
    I consistently identify with other fire signs. I have always been attractive to and attracted to Libras on the job for example. So what's up with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Lol, well, Saggitarius and Aries are both supposed to be highly chaotic and impulsive, so this much influence would be expected to make a difference, as well as venus in first house position being particularly associated with an easy going, self-indulgent quality in relationships. That part of the chart is really meant to be more about personal interaction style than anything deeper. Some of the astrological systems actually give more weight to the position of the moon (because it's associated with emotions) than even the sun, and multiple planets in the same sign (particularly in conjunction with each other, which is supposed to increase the harmonic energy) are going to give that sign a lot of overall influence in the chart.

    Really, we can't even form a good basis for a critique of the system by looking at aspects in isolation due to their potential to be influenced by other aspects. This makes criticism by those who haven't really bothered trying to understand it in detail and are taking issue with specific single aspects rather weak. Maybe it doesn't work, but we still need to be able to make an appropriately nuanced qualitative assessment of how all the different variables integrate with each other.

    I'll try some more specific Virgo rising sign traits anyway, just to see how many apply. Most of them should be present to some significant degree despite the strong influence of the other signs; though obviously we need to watch out for confirmation bias and the blah, blah effect here in trying to determine whether you have them to a notable degree:

    Are you a "helper" or "carer" who likes to do a lot of things for others and is maybe particularly attracted to those who need that help? With regard to the ascendant position and the supposed virgo desire to be of practical service to people, do you tend to employ whatever organisational skills you have in order to help or support others, rather than yourself? Do you use your reason and ability to detach emotionally and focus on practical necessities, enabling you to remain fairly easygoing and flexible in most situations? Do you have a very keen awareness of your own body (more so than most people) and tend to worry a lot about minor ailments, perhaps blowing them out of proportion? Is health, nutrition and exercise generally a big deal for you, other people's as well as your own? Are you a worrier in general, particularly when it comes to thinking about what might go wrong in your social interactions and relationships? In this context in particular, do you notice a lot of details that others are not likely to pick up on? Oh, and where is the position of Mercury? This is also supposed to affect Virgo strongly due to being the ruling planet.
    I'm pretty much your stereotypical fire sign ruled person in a way

    I don't value organization, am definitley not a hypochondriac and would be perfectly happy consuming a steady diet of bacon cheeseburgers I do keep in good shape though, but I do that for reasons of enjoying exercize and being an egomaniac. I don't really worry about things most of the time and am not detail oriented

    Mercury in Leo in the 11th house though

    Funny though... my Virgo is a delightfully anal retentive ISTJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I'm pretty much your stereotypical fire sign ruled person in a way

    I don't value organization, am definitley not a hypochondriac and would be perfectly happy consuming a steady diet of bacon cheeseburgers I do keep in good shape though, but I do that for reasons of enjoying exercize and being an egomaniac. I don't really worry about things most of the time and am not detail oriented

    Mercury in Leo in the 11th house though

    Funny though... my Virgo is a delightfully anal retentive ISTJ
    So... for one specific aspect in isolation astrology is performing modestly. However, when we factor in the fact that the influences in your chart are almost entirely fire (what sun sign were you again? I may have missed that!), and that the ruler of the ascendant is also in a fire sign, leo, which should indicate that the Virgo communication style will be heavily Leo moderated and therefore become broader, generous, and expansive... If it had been in Virgo, the sign it rules, astrology would predict an intensification of the Virgo energy and it would come across quite strongly: Leo suggests the same energy would tend to be rechannelled into a broader outlook, though it would still be there to some extent. Specifically, I would say that critical and reasoning tendencies may still be there, but they would be expressed in a Leo manner, time to cut and paste because I'm lazy:

    When Mercury in Leo people speak, they do it with authority. Some of them come across as know-it-alls, but the more mature ones speak with style. They want others to know about their presence of mind and their know-how.

    Mercury in Leo men and women are adept at seeing the big picture, sometimes at the cost of ignoring the details. They are generally skilled at the art of persuasion. While others may try to win people over with logic, guilt, or wit, Mercury in Leo does it with warmth and good will. They are excellent at promoting ideas and getting their message across.

    These people can be very attached to their opinions, taking pride in their beliefs, which are often rather idealistic. They are capable people on an intellectual level, and have an especial desire for self-expression.
    Well, scarcely conclusive, but interesting. A minor influence will come out to a smaller degree than a larger one, and the influence of Virgo in your chart as a whole is actually not that strong. The fire influence is extremely dominant and ought to drive your personality and motivations, Virgo only coming out to quite a limited degree.
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    I'm a Leo... Mercury in Leo as well... and like I said, 4 planets (2 conjunctions) in Sagitarius and the moon in Aries... in other words, those who beleive in astrology should look at my chart and RUN!

    oh... would that be refering to my saying smart people things in valley girl lingo and such?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    in other words, those who beleive in astrology should look at my chart and RUN!
    You haven't seen mine.

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    and what's in Scorpio Jag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    and what's in Scorpio Jag?

    Naughty girl.

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    hey, my venus is in virgo, you can't speak like that to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I'm a Leo... Mercury in Leo as well... and like I said, 4 planets (2 conjunctions) in Sagitarius and the moon in Aries... in other words, those who beleive in astrology should look at my chart and RUN!

    oh... would that be refering to my saying smart people things in valley girl lingo and such?
    LOL Fire signs are pretty much hot air! LOL

    So Jag tell us about your chart, do you really have a lot of Scorp Not that there is anything wrong with Scorps, some of the bestest people have planets in Scorp

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    hey, my venus is in virgo, you can't speak like that to me!
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