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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
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    Simulated world, what we can retain from your post is that the description of you your Sun sign and of your Moon sign hit well with you but not the description of your ascendant. The problem is that we need a very precise time of birth to find your true ascendant. I have seen your astral theme, and your ascendant is almost in Gemini, actually, your ascendant is probaly really in Gemini, but your time of birth is not enough precise and an error of just a few minute can change everything with the ascendant (but not with the Sun sign and the Moon sign). One problem and error source, is that in can pass some minutes between you actual time of birth and the time where the doctors register your time of birth watching their watch. My ENFP young brother had the same problem, with his official time of birth, he's ascendant Cancer, but it's an error of a few minutes and within a few minutes, he's ascendant Gemini.

    Myself, I have my sun sign in Taurus and the description hit with me. But I would be very surprised to see an ENFP with an ascendant in Cancer (wich sounds ISFJ) or an ENTP with his ascendant in Taurus (wich sounds ISTJ), I guess it's due to an error of a few minutes in your true time of birth. But the ascendant Gemini definitely match with Ne-dom. The ares sign sounds really ExTx for me. I have match the Ares sun sign with ESTP and ENTJ, but your ascendant and your Moon in Gemini make you prone to be more versatile and in a Getting-Things-Going interaction style. Very ENTP if we make the synthesis. Here is the description of the Ares ascendant Gemini:

    Aries Ascendant Gemini
    Would you be a little intrusive? In any case, these two signs have in common the need to go for meet the world and peoples: it is hard to stop you in your insatiable quest to overcome obstacles, the boundaries that separate them. As a Gemini, you are light and scattered, versatile and chameleon, but you would like to be clearer in your thoughts and your projects, you who take so much pride as an Ares to know what you want! In any case, your reactions are epidermal and it is hard to leave you cold. You've also probably a tendency to intellectualize, to neglect your inner life, your moods. Impulsive - Aries and Gemini are the faster signs of the zodiac- and individualistic when it knows you, you are being more flexible and communicative at first. A mischievous imp side with a heart beating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Also, Sim, just wanted to get this out there before I attempt to fall asleep again.

    Regarding the "time-space twins" experiment: the problem I see with it is that astrology (at least the type I'm open to) merely points to the archetypal energies that will manifest themselves in a person's life. It doesn't discount the effect that biology (nature) or upbringing (nurture) will have on a person's identity.

    If two "time-space twins" are very differently genetically, they may have similar archetypal energies underlying much of their motivation, but their natural genetic abilities and traits, the things they experience during their life, and the choices they end up making, all will combine to make them likely different enough such that even testing
    "time-space twins" is probably a flawed methodology.

    That's the counterargument I'd come up with long before you ever sent me this study...
    My father and aunt were born pretty much at the same moment and in the same city, only different hospitals. And no, they're not genetically related.
    They're fairly similar, I've been keeping my eye on them and their interests and behaviour are honestly really the same. Though, I guess the genderal and genetical differences are enough to make some changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacabreCharade View Post
    My father and aunt were born pretty much at the same moment and in the same city, only different hospitals. And no, they're not genetically related.
    They're fairly similar, I've been keeping my eye on them and their interests and behaviour are honestly really the same. Though, I guess the genderal and genetical differences are enough to make some changes.
    Really? By the difference of how many hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming View Post
    Really? By the difference of how many hours?
    Pretty much at the same moment. Possibly a minute or few.
    And them knowing each other happened about two decades later, so it was completely unintentional that they would ever meet.
    And, in addition, they're also born on Christmas day. I'm not kidding, I checked up on their birth certificates for all of this.

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    LOL Thanks Peacebaby for this....

    Actually Ming, I only skimmed the first page...

    Newspaper astrology is actualyl totally acurate if done properly.

    Aires chart is cast for 0 dgrees aries rising, hence the predictions are based on where the planets are in the various houses fro the time period. It is the Aries chart and transits.

    Same for taurs = 0 degrees taurus rising.

    Have a play:
    lay astrology scopes side by side with one another by different authors and you ougt to find similar reading or reasonably discussions of similar events, particularly big dates.

    Enjoy your chat, glad to see someone is keeping the subject on the board

    Hi to all - been a wee bit busy

    Lis

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    You know what's funny ... I actually support your position Z, but you didn't notice, obviously.

    - which is to say, I support using your own brain to figure out your own opinion.

    And the arguments overall in this thread are unconvincing and weak - that's all I'm saying. As far as writing to convince others of your position, a paper or treatise is generally considered of lesser quality when it relies on fallacious arguments. But maybe that's part of the whole game here and I'm missing it.

    I would like to see someone REALLY argue for the validity of astrology. THAT would be interesting.

    OR, someone rip into astrology with every piece of scientific data at their fingertips. THAT would be interesting too!

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    Edit: Saying this re aga's post is just ... Z, it sucks:

    If I were sitting at home all day doing nothing I would annihilate her retarded tertiary Ti posts.

    She's not even worth my time.
    You say some interesting stuff, then undermine your integrity with posts like that.

    And your continual dismissals of Victor - you know, hidden in Victor's posts are occasional gems of wisdom; it would be wise to accept them as they are and move on rather than deride them. You should realize when to pick your battles.
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    ^ To add: the question in this thread is, "Do you believe in astrology?"

    "Yes" or "No" or "not sure". So if you say yes, why do you believe what you believe? No, why?

    Why can't there just be an interesting discussion here?

    I've got a great idea - "Tonight, on the NT Channel, Debating ... Astrology! Set your Egos and Preconceived Notions Aside for the Intellectual Ride of your Life!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    LOL Thanks Peacebaby for this....

    Actually Ming, I only skimmed the first page...

    Newspaper astrology is actualyl totally acurate if done properly.

    Aires chart is cast for 0 dgrees aries rising, hence the predictions are based on where the planets are in the various houses fro the time period. It is the Aries chart and transits.

    Same for taurs = 0 degrees taurus rising.

    Have a play:
    lay astrology scopes side by side with one another by different authors and you ougt to find similar reading or reasonably discussions of similar events, particularly big dates.

    Enjoy your chat, glad to see someone is keeping the subject on the board

    Hi to all - been a wee bit busy

    Lis
    Maybe; because Sun Sign astrology makes such a 'vague' idea compared to the picture that ALL the signs and ALL the aspects and SIGNS and HOUSES make..

    It just seems so insignificant and inaccurate when you compare the two. It's like comparing 1 dollar to 1 million dollars. Sure the 1 dollar can get you something, but 1 million dollars can you SOMETHING.

    I'll try that laying out when I have time!

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    I didn't mean to rehash the same old stuff. I thought I figured out something new, in fact.

    Let me stress again that I agree with you that it's theoretically possible that astrology could be representationally accurate, and that once we include all the information given we can even fairly call it unfalsifiable.

    Do you consider all unfalsifiable things equally probable? Can you go into some of your basic epistemological beliefs?


    Please note that I am not asking for "proof that astrology is true"--I don't want a 100% yes or 100% no answer. I want to know, in your view, what is the probability that astrology is true, based on the incomplete information we have now? I know you can't prove it either way; I want your assessment of the likelihood, not a definite proof.
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    Hey Ming, I used to be really into astrology and have examined my natal chart with all the significant aspects. I've even done 'karmic astrology'. I leave it alone now.

    At the time I was into it, I thought it was very accurate and helpful. Like tarot or tea leaf reading, they are highly interpretive/intuitive/take it with a grain of salt. Basically it gives you something to think about, almost like if you randomly grabbed a card from a deck of cards and was told to focus on the 'meaning of the card' for the rest of the day.

    Also, I found it kinda depressing and repressive after a while to think I was 'locked in' or 'destined' for certain things. Even with typology, I believe you are capable of becoming anyone or anything you want, typology just provides guidelines.
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