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    Well, we already ruled it out as predictive about ten pages ago, so that test is essentially about something that we're not even trying to argue.

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    People will blindly believe anyone is type ABCD just because they post it in the forum.
    People will blindly believe what their exact function order is.
    People will blindly believe what MBTI says is true of them, and others, in a profile.

    In the typing threads, you will see lists of "characteristics" which are then used to type someone:

    Hits brown dogs.
    Watches rain fall.
    Uses Charmin brand toilet paper.
    Eats microwave dinners.

    And of course the clincher is:
    Wears black shoes.

    Then the erudite members shout out a type.

    But. . . Astrology must be proven.
    Fascinating.

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    ^ plus one.

    Jag, an hour or two ago I remembered that you also have sounded open-minded in this thread.

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    I also like the new sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Well, we already ruled it out as predictive about ten pages ago, so that test is essentially about something that we're not even trying to argue.
    I don't understand--if it can't predict who will have which personality traits based on birth information, what exactly do you use it for?

    Is it just a personality categorization system with no objective variables, like typology?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    But. . . Astrology must be proven.
    Fascinating.
    The difference is that Jungian type categories can't be tested and thus have no objective value. They're just one way of many to group personalities.

    Astrology claims an objectively measurable connection between birth information and personality traits. If it didn't do that, it would be functionally identical to typology and I'd have no problem with it.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Jag, an hour or two ago I remembered that you also have sounded open-minded in this thread.
    I'm open-minded in any thread. Except when dealing with stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I don't understand--if it can't predict who will have which personality traits based on birth information, what exactly do you use it for?
    Is that what the test from the Wikipedia link was testing for?

    (I'm doing this all from my phone, so I didn't look at the link.)

    I just figured that by "predict", they were talking about astrology's efficacy (or lack thereof) in foretelling future events (which some believe it can be used for).

    Was I wrong about this?

    If so, and it was about predicting personality traits, I would have to see the methodology.

    I think it's a particular trait of Ni to catch errors in experiment's methodologies.

    Always been good at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Is it just a personality categorization system with no objective variables, like typology?
    I was gunna preempt Jag by just putting here, but, considering he already responded and refrained, I'll consider playing along in your little Ti terminology game.

    Ehh, here goes nothing:

    I can't say I'm certain what you mean here by objective variables...

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    The difference is that Jungian type categories can't be tested and thus have no objective value. They're just one way of many to group personalities.
    Can't be tested = no objective value =

    What?

    Are you saying things that can't be tested can't be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Astrology claims an objectively measurable connection between birth information and personality traits. If it didn't do that, it would be functionally identical to typology and I'd have no problem with it.
    I'm not sure it ever claims to be "objectively measurable"...

    Hence why I said it's not verifiable or falsifiable.

    The fact of the matter is: it's very difficult to measure qualities....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I'll consider playing along in your little Ti terminology game.
    Is that what you call it? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    The fact of the matter is: it's very difficult to measure qualities....
    Tell me about it.

    But does that mean that equality would be a default position, or would you rather settle for approximations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater Typhoon View Post
    Tell me about it.

    But does that mean that equality would be a default position, or would you rather settle for approximations?
    You need to shift your thinking away from a mode of thinking more suited to quantitative measures and towards a mode of thinking more suited to qualitative measures (i.e., critical thinking).

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