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    I do like astrology, just to be into it a lot more than nowadays unfortunately.

    I don't pay attention to the daily horoscopes and will buy a chart if i am able to give birth place and dates/times etc.

    Each to their own i say.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I don't know too much about signs other than my own, but aren't Aries supposed to be combative, fiery personalities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Yes, the newspapers.

    I have no idea what you're talking about. *shrug*

    I'll listen to Z's link in a few weeks when I'm not completely burdened by school work.
    I think it is, from Earth, the Sun is within the different constellations. We view from Earth as if the Sun goes around these certain constellations in a circle, throughout the year.

    Aries to Pisces are the constellations that the Sun meets on it's 'complete circle around the sky'. Zodiacus (the latin word where it originated from) means 'little circle of friends'.

    Hmm now that I think about it, It does feel kinda bullshitty. Astrology that is.

    But then, things like these always happen; people all thought that the Earth was square before. Before Einstein there was no E=mc squared. There's really a lot of exception to things..

    Astrology, I agree with the others, is a tool I use to boost my confidence. It's like a back-up, something that I use to keep saying to myself that I am strong. It's like a spiritual practise?

    Is that delusional?

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    ^

    Hence why when my ESFP girlfriend was all into astrology, I thought it was bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    What is the rationale behind astrology? Why would the month in which you are born affect your personality and future?

    I've just never understood why anybody would believe in it. I see more evidence for the possible existence of a god than I do for astrology. Astrology seems just as arbitrary as correlating your shoe size to your personality...
    Basically Tesla, it starts with the assumption that we live in an inherently meaningful universe.

    This assumption used to be the primary assumption before the scientific revolution.

    Since the scientific revolution, this assumption has fallen out of favor, and, to be more accurate, is often met with the disdain.

    The prevailing notion is that we live in a meaningless, disinterested universe.

    If you're willing to be at least open to the idea that we live in an inherently meaningful universe, then you can be open to astrology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ^

    Hence why when my ESFP girlfriend was all into astrology, I thought it was bullshit...
    Wow INTJ + ESFP... Complete opposites? They make the best couples though; because I believe Opposites attract . Wait.. Isn't your girlfriend SillySapiene? Isn't she a EFNP.. anyways..

    Hah; I don't know, It's funny because you're on this typology forum. It's idea came from Jung right?

    Jung believed astrology. Here I'll quote the article here..

    'Jung and Astrology

    "Astrology represents the summation of all the psychological knowledge of antiquity." C.G. Jung

    Jung believed that we get to know ourselves and heal our Souls through rediscovery and connection with the archetypal world, and that we interact with this world through symbols. According to Jung, our Soul speaks to us in this language of images through dreams and through archetypal symbols. Astrological planets are archetypal symbols, and our birth charts are a unique “map of our Soul” that can illuminate the relationship between our conscious and unconscious mind.

    By understanding the symbals in our unconscious through dreams or through the planetary archetypes in our birthchart, we can take steps to break free of our more compulsive, repetitive, or “default” patterns of behavior. Astrologers believe that individual unconscious patterns are left as an “imprint” that can be read on the birth chart—as Jung said: “The individual disposition is already a factor in childhood; it is innate, and not acquired in the course of a life.” Astrologers believe this disposition is reflected in the planetary symbols that synchronize the moment of your birth with the heavens above. My teacher, Alice Howell, used to remind us that: "To think symbolically is a key to wisdom."

    Carl Jung’s image in our psyche today often resonates with the archetype of the “wise elder man.” He points us in certain directions---as if to say: “Look to the mandala, look to alchemy, look to your dreams, look to the images in your unconscious and in the collective unconscious, look to astrology.” Jung was not a perfect man or teacher, he was a product of his time and culture, yet he was wise enough to say: “Where love rules, there is no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.” (From: On the Psychology of the Unconscious)

    Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud were psychiatrists and theorists who were ambitious men. Freud counseled Jung not to delve into the astrological world view as it could destroy his reputation as a reputable and scientific scholar, yet he did it anyway. (Ira Progoff in America also warned Jung in a letter that Americans would not take him seriously if he delved into the taboo astrological world. And although Jung was not one to be told what to do, we could speculate that he chose to focus more on astrology’s younger sister, “alchemy” in order not to be tarnished by astrology’s bad reputation at the time as a fortune telling craft.) Jung and Freud eventually parted ways because of their many differences in opinions.

    So did Jung believe in astrology and use it? The answer is yes, as we see here in Jung’s own words from a letter that he wrote to the Hindu astrologer, B.V. Raman on the 6th of September of 1947. Jung wrote:

    "Since you want to know my opinion about astrology I can tell you that I've been interested in this particular activity of the human mind since more than 30 years. As I am a psychologist, I am chiefly interested in the particular light the horoscope sheds on certain complications in the character. In cases of difficult psychological diagnosis I usually get a horoscope in order to have a further point of view from an entirely different angle. I must say that I very often found that the astrological data elucidated certain points which I otherwise would have been unable to understand. From such experiences I formed the opinion that astrology is of particular interest to the psychologist, since it contains a sort of psychological experience which we call 'projected' - this means that we find the psychological facts as it were in the constellations."

    The kind of astrology I practice is archetypal and evolutionary. I believe Jungian psychology is a rich foundation upon which to draw inspiration and knowledge, and Jung himself was a powerful yet invisible mentor in my life. I also draw from the “evolutionary” school of astrology with my background in Theosophy and as an apprentice to Steven Forrest’s School of Evolutionary Astrology. This evolutionary overlay on the Jungian base allows me to look at the possibilities of reincarnation and karma, and to construct a parable or myth about the past life lessons and experiences as shown on the birth chart now.

    Because the re-incarnational parable is not fact-based but instead is a largely unconscious emotional memory, I look to the nature and arrangement of the planetary archetypes to read it and detect what the Soul in this life is trying to learn and experience. Usually, we repeat the same karmic patterns until we become conscious of these invisible energy patterns and choose to not to repeat them.

    I believe that our life direction and soul purpose is to “heal oneself” and that we do this by “knowing” and “remembering” our Self on a very deep level. This is the work of a lifetime, and I do not believe we are fated to endlessly repeat old patterns, nor are we bound by any predestined hand of God. But we do come into this life with the mixture of past life karma, free will, and the spiritual curiosity to experience both joy and love, struggle and pain. It’s a mixed blessing for sure. ~ Elizabeth Spring © 2008 www.elizabethspring.com '

    Jung and Astrology

    So are we all just delusional? Or is there really SOME POINT in astrology? I guess that is something that I'm thinking.. again. I'm avoiding my half yearlies studies... SIGH GOTTA GO STUDY SOON >.<!

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    Alchemy and Astrology

    Carl Jung believed in alchemy and astrology.

    However no chemists believe in alchemy and no astronomers believe in astrology.

    So alchemy and astrology are for the gullible and those who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Carl Jung believed in alchemy and astrology.

    However no chemists believe in alchemy and no astronomers believe in astrology.

    So alchemy and astrology are for the gullible and those who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
    Then why should people believe in Jung?

    And who calls the rules? Who says that 'alchemy and astrology' are for the gullible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming View Post
    Then why should people believe in Jung?

    And who calls the rules? Who says that 'alchemy and astrology' are for the gullible?
    The astronomers and the chemists call the rules, for they have the runs on the board.

    And Jung is difficult to believe in, for although he lived in a safe, neutral country, he enthusiastically supported the wrong side in WW II.

    And Jung is difficult to believe in, for he sexually abused his female patients.

    And Jung is difficult to believe in, for he failed as a psychoanalyst and compensated by becoming a guru and founding his own cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And Jung is difficult to believe in, for although he lived in a safe, neutral country, he enthusiastically supported the wrong side in WW II.

    And Jung is difficult to believe in, for he sexually abused his female patients.

    And Jung is difficult to believe in, for he failed as a psychoanalyst and compensated by becoming a guru and founding his own cult.

    I remember when you claimed Plath murdered her children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I remember when you claimed Plath murdered her children.
    I made a mistake. And admitted I made a mistake. And I corrected my mistake.

    And it was the second wife of Plath's husband who murdered her children.

    I made a mistake and confused the two.

    I am pleased though you read every word I write, and can correct any mistakes I make.

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