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    Do the choices we make in them have any impact? If so how and where?
    I would think so. Not in "real" life, probably, but dreams can give experiences too, and as I keep saying, the more you make a choice, the easier it is to make.

    What about all of the dream people?
    ...dream...people? I don't...what? (Can't...brain...have...too much!)
    Ah, never-mind that. If I understand correctly, you're asking what happens to dream people after you wake up, in which case my answer is that I imagine they keep on existing as part of your subconscious. Perhaps they even represented a part. Different facets of a personality can be assigned identities after all; I've done mine.

    Are there dream worlds out there with just as much value as "the real world"?
    Yes, yes, and more "Yes". Where would we be without the imagination?

    Does the dream universe go beyond the "real universe"?
    If one had to go beyond the other, I'd put money on the dream universe, but I like to think of them as two sides of the same coin rather than two entirely separate places.

    Have you ever died in a dream?
    Yes. Yes, I have.

    Halucinations...do they belong to the real world or the dream world?
    What is the real world, but a collection of perceptions commonly accepted as true, and what are hallucinations, but proof of that notion?

    Can someone be an atheist in the 'real world' and a theist in the dream world?
    Anything's possible, but in most cases I would say no. One tends to retain some measure of self in the dream world, so I guess it would depend on how strong of an atheist one was.

    What happens to our dreams/dream worlds when we die?
    They live on, because they're not ours. All we did was carve a path to them. Plus, with the afterlife and all that, who's to say we ever truly die?

    I tried it a couple of times but it seemed... sacrilegious.
    Really? I haven't tried it at all, but only because it would be too much of a hassle to wake up in the middle of deep sleep to write something down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    My dreams are very vivid and often intense. It feels as if I create quicker and more intense relationships. A lot more action...and much less apparent consequence.
    for me the consequences are much more extreme in my dreams than in real life. little things that happen in my dreams upset the path of the dream in pretty dramatic ways.
    so i think that consequences are a major mechanic of my dreams, they are a real driving force.

    do you think about consequences much in everyday life? are they pretty apparent to you then?

    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    For me the dream worlds hold as much value in my life than the 'real world'. Maybe thats why I am a P instead of a J.
    what kind of value?
    my dreams hold a lot of personal value to me, so i think that they are much more personally significant than every day life in a lot of ways, they seem like a very raw expression of myself.
    but they also seem very insulated, i think dreams close me off from the rest of the world in a big way, because they are so singularly personal. i think it is a "man against the world" or "man apart from the world" kind of situation.

    so i think that everyday life is a lot more freeing in a way, because of the social value and social and emotional interconnectedness of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    I talked to this old guy from a college philosophy class who also appeared to be different from most of the sheeple. He told me he would set his alarm when he estimated that his dreams/(REM) were at their peak. The alarm would awaken him and he would write down his dreams.

    I tried it a couple of times but it seemed...sacraligious.
    that does seem sacrilegious, i don't think i would want to try it.
    that feels to me like interrupting someone in the middle of a riveting story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gtzk View Post
    Is the dream-self different?
    i think my dream self is exactly me, except on a much more grand and heroic scale. i think it is like an exaggeration of me, so it seems more heroic and also more deeply flawed.

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    Thank you Dream Warriors!

    Some outstanding thoughts here. When someone speaks of something of great depth or is able to see something which is profound in various views there is a certain satiation as if eating astonishing ambrosia at an amazing feast.

    I wonder if our unconscious gives special consideration to these ideas in our sleep too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    Nightmares can be terrifying. I can remember one quiet clearly from years ago about Yuppies on PCP trying to kill. As for other dreams maybe going out in nature and sleeping under the moon would help. Also the supplement melatonin combined with the L-Lysine gives me especially vivid dreams and might awaken the good ones you have. They can be found at most drug stores/health food stores.
    It's kind of pathetic, but nightmares have become a normal thing for me anymore... what's a week if you don't wake up at least one night in a panic?

    It's much easier when you can roll over next to someone warm and sleeping... otherwise I'd be looking for something
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    Thank you Dream Warriors!

    Some outstanding thoughts here. When someone speaks of something of great depth or is able to see something which is profound in various views there is a certain satiation as if eating astonishing ambrosia at an amazing feast.

    I wonder if our unconscious gives special consideration to these ideas in our sleep too.
    Your kisses, sweeter than honey. But guess what, so is my money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    When someone speaks of something of great depth or is able to see something which is profound in various views there is a certain satiation as if eating astonishing ambrosia at an amazing feast.
    definitely! it is very enthusing and energizing too, it gives the conversation and your relationship with that person a lot of powerful momentum, i think.

    I wonder if our unconscious gives special consideration to these ideas in our sleep too.
    that is a very cool thought! maybe our unconscious is a kind of guide for us in a way, to point us in meaningful directions. it does seem like it is very very good at picking the most significant things out a crowd, and illuminating them in really unexpected ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    It's kind of pathetic, but nightmares have become a normal thing for me anymore... what's a week if you don't wake up at least one night in a panic?
    have you always had nightmares, or always so frequently? do you remember a time when you had consistantly good dreams?

    a long time ago i used to have nightmares very often. i was never able to figure out why they stopped.

    It's much easier when you can roll over next to someone warm and sleeping... otherwise I'd be looking for something
    definitely! sometimes my wife wakes me up and says "you were having a bad dream", or i wake up and she is there sleeping next to me. that really releases the tension of it. it doesn't hang on your mind so much then.

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    I once was very close to a tornado IRL and also very near a large grassfire. For years after each I would have dreams of fear-but for both eventually I could focus and make the fires go out or divert the path of the tornados.

    I dream of water endlessly. Lakes, puddles, waves, rivers. People drown a lot. I have given literally hundreds of people cpr in my dreams-no exaggeration. I know I care deeply for you when you drown in my dreams and I wake up crying. The water will surround me-floods typically, giant waves, deep oceans, tsumanis.

    I often go swimming in very dark oceans knowing I will never return to the shore. It is a feeling of oneness. For some reason I am often running from something rather dark and frightening yet seductively entrancing on the shore...I choose to swim away rather than surrender, knowing it is death, yet satisfied and content.

    Like spamtar mentioned-emotions and attachments in dreams can be far more intense than things I feel in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    have you always had nightmares, or always so frequently? do you remember a time when you had consistantly good dreams?

    a long time ago i used to have nightmares very often. i was never able to figure out why they stopped.

    I don't even remember dreaming when I was younger... not until I was in my 20s and things started to go wrong... since that point I've pretty consistantly had nightmares... usually about someone chasing me and trying to kill me

    definitely! sometimes my wife wakes me up and says "you were having a bad dream", or i wake up and she is there sleeping next to me. that really releases the tension of it. it doesn't hang on your mind so much then.
    yeah- the fears that seem really REAL in a nightmare can easily be abated by a warm sleeping person... especially when they snore very consistantly
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