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    It's just a bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
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    The whole sissy-boy thing makes me want to vomit, though. Men should be men. Period.
    If some aren't, maybe they should have therapy, but not violence.
    This statement makes little sense to me. Men are men. There is no should be on it. If you feel, are, and live your life as a male.. then you're pretty much a man.
    I think you mean that the ideals that men are suppose to historically live by should be upholded.. but are they really anymore?
    Some people feel men should be gentlemen.. opening doors for people, taking off hats inside of buidings, wearing suits to functions instead of lazy jeans, etc.
    Some people think men should be hardworking.. constantly constructing things, building, tearing down and toying, and that office jobs are for ladies.
    Some people act like men should be hardheaded.. Ready to fight, ready to react, firm in their decisions and not backing down for anyone.
    Some people believe men should be whores.. it's okay to try hard to get into a girls pants, and drink copious amounts and assume it's okay to act a fool on it.
    The idea of what people think men should act like is ridiculous on whole scale. It only works on an individual basis.. "What kind of man is he?" Rather than "How he should be"

    Why? Its not that any of those qualities are wrong.. But it is because someone is TELLING you how to live your life. If a group of strangers came to you and told you you HAD to start carrying a purse everywhere.. would you do it? Probably not. You'd probably tell them to eff off. Why? It's not because purses endanger who you are -- I'm sure you'd still be yourself, purse in hand or not -- it is because someone else is telling you how to live your life, instead of you deciding for yourself. Why would you let anyone decide for you? Moreless a group of strangers that don't give a shit less about you, or care about how things affect you?

    Violence is sometimes a solution, but it really isn't if you're going to reform someone who is mentally ill.
    Probably the mose sane thing you said in this post. Violence is a solution.. how great of one it is is up in the air, but it is an option.

    Homosexuality is not a good thing that should be embraced by society, just dealt with on a personal basis, and perhaps with professional help.
    Just like people who want to do other really disgusting and horrible things has to keep it in their pants because it's against the law, as it still should be.
    You're the opposite. People should embrace as a society how things should be.. even if they don't personally feel that it is right. It is your individual right to think homosexuality is disgusting.. or that metro-men are annoying and wrong. You can think it your whole life, and be okay with it. But embracing them in a way where an adult has the same rights as you is necessary. You don't "deal" with women because they are attracted to men. Nor should you 'deal' with homosexual men.

    To bring this back to topic. Bullies are the topic, afterall. The men in the OP who assumed him weird or off by carrying a satchel (a rather common instrument for men.. always has been historically) were acting because they were telling this man how he should do things. The reality is, they should disgree with it personally, but not force themselves on others.

    I might sound like a conservative Christian, here, and in fact this is one of the few points where I agree with them.
    Why? Because they're somewhat right, and people just don't dare to step on anyones' toes anymore. What's next? Legalizing pedophilia? Necrophilia? Zoophilia?
    The main problem I have with this argument is that children, animals, dead people, etc.. do not have the right to give consent.
    To compare it to homosexuality is different. Two consenting adults v.s. an adult and something/someone that cannot give consent. If you're going to say that two adult, grown-ass men having sex in privacy is the same as a pedophile coming into a home and abusing a small girl, I'm going to call you insane.

    This is just my opinion, and I know some people won't like it one bit, but I have a right to it and a right to express it in civil discussion.
    If this gets me an infraction, it was so worth it.
    Strong as your opinion is, I don't think it's infraction worthy, though I do think you focused on Lark's homosexual referencing a bit too much instead of staying on topic. You have every right to express your opinion, just like you have the right to have one.. but please understand that your opinion is not the only way of things.
    Men can enjoy cooking and still be men. You know that.. whereas, some people have the idea that only women should cook. The opinions on what constitutes a man are so diverse, about as diverse as anything else on earth.. so it makes no sense to just say "act like a man." What kind of man should you force males to act like? The asshole, I don't give a shit kind? The gentlemanly kind? The hard-working, rough necked kind? THe frat boy kind? The list goes on.
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    Some people feel men should be gentlemen.. opening doors for people, taking off hats inside of buildings, wearing suits to functions instead of lazy jeans, etc.
    ^ I was raised to be this.

    Some people act like men should be hardheaded.. Ready to fight, ready to react, firm in their decisions and not backing down for anyone.
    ^ The world I grew up in has forced me to become this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Some people act like men should be hardheaded.. Ready to fight, ready to react, firm in their decisions and not backing down for anyone.
    The problem with men like this is that they are spontaneous, react too soon, make quick decisions that may not be the best solution and are too stubborn to reconsider because they have been brainwashed by society into believing that it's unmasculine to be thoughtful and considerate: the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality which is more primal than civilized. It's not really an indication of masculinity.

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    ^ Srsly.

    Your saying I'm inconsiderate and unthoughtful...

    Not only that, your saying I don't have the mental fortitude to be these things of my own volition.

    Your saying I have so little self respect that I would allow a culture (or anything but who I am) to determine how I act.

    Who's being the dick now???

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    ^ Srsly.

    Your saying I'm inconsiderate and unthoughtful...

    Not only that, your saying I don't have the mental fortitude to be these things of my own volition.

    Your saying I have so little self respect that I would allow a culture (or anything but who I am) to determine how I act.

    Who's being the dick now???
    Not at all. If anything, you said this when you stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    ^ The world I grew up in has forced me to become this.
    To a certain extent, everyone is influenced by the culture they grow up in. Some people embrace their culture's ideals, other people are repulsed by them or a combination of both. I definitely think that masculine stereotypes resemble neanderthals more than mature adult male homosapiens.

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    I understand that you have had some less than enjoyable interactions with masculine males.

    But just because you have encountered several maladjusted type A personalities does not mean that we are all bad people.

    It's offends me to be lumped in with such miscreants just because I happen to be masculine.

    It is who I am and I will not apologize... :P

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    Does that mean that DiscoBiscuit is actually an ESTJ in disguise?

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