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    Default I really wish that Gardner's 8 forms of intelligence...

    ...correlated to the functions. But only a few do. That makes me sad.

    1. Interpersonal intelligence (Fe)
    This area has to do with interaction with others. In theory, people who have a high interpersonal intelligence tend to be extroverts, characterized by their sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, temperaments and motivations, and their ability to cooperate in order to work as part of a group. They communicate effectively and empathize easily with others, and may be either leaders or followers. They typically learn best by working with others and often enjoy discussion and debate.
    2. Intrapersonal Intelligence (Fi)
    This area has to do with introspective and self-reflective capacities. People with intrapersonal intelligence are intuitive and typically introverted. They are skillful at deciphering their own feelings and motivations. This refers to having a deep understanding of the self; what are your strengths/ weaknesses, what makes you unique, can you predict your own reactions/ emotions.
    3. Linguistic Intelligence (Ni??)
    Involves having a mastery of language. This intelligence includes the ability to effectively manipulate language to express oneself rhetorically or poetically. It also allows one to use language as a means to remember information.
    4. Logical-mathematical intelligence (Ti) (and perhaps Te??)
    This area has to do with logic, abstractions, reasoning, and numbers. While it is often assumed that those with this intelligence naturally excel in mathematics, chess, computer programming and other logical or numerical activities, a more accurate definition places emphasis on traditional mathematical ability and more reasoning capabilities, abstract patterns of recognition, scientific thinking and investigation, and the ability to perform complex calculations. It correlates strongly with traditional concepts of "intelligence" or IQ.
    5. Bodily/Kinesthetic Intelligence (Se)
    Ability in physical movement as seen in both athletes and dancers. Entails the potential of using one's whole body or parts of the body to solve problems. It is the ability to use mental abilities to coordinate bodily movements. Howard Gardner sees mental and physical activity as related.
    6. Spatial Intelligence (Si)
    The precise perception of things and the ability to recall visual patterns. Involves the potential to recognize and use the patterns of wide space and more confined areas.
    And here's where it gets fishy:

    7. Naturalist Intelligence (Ne???)
    Displayed by those who are talented at observing, understanding and organizing patterns especially those found in nature. Enables human beings to recognize, categorize and draw upon certain features of the environment. It 'combines a description of the core ability with a characterization of the role that many cultures value'
    8. Musical intelligence (Wtf??)
    This area has to do with rhythm, music, and hearing. Those who have a high level of musical-rhythmic intelligence display greater sensitivity to sounds, rhythms, tones, and music. They normally have good pitch and may even have absolute pitch, and are able to sing, play musical instruments, and compose music. Since there is a strong auditory component to this intelligence, those who are strongest in it may learn best via lecture. Language skills are typically highly developed in those whose base intelligence is musical. In addition, they will sometimes use songs or rhythms to learn and memorize information.
    My Ne really wants it to fit, but it doesn't. It seems to work well for Fe, Fi, Se, Si, and Ti, but things get weird with Ni, Ne, and Te. I guess Gardner just thinks the latter three are dumb. Poo on him. I believe this intelligence theory is highly criticized though.

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    I usually score Intrapersonal=Interpersonal>Spatial. I see a lot of people who's intellect preferences don't correlate though. =\ But the general idea, yeah I can see how it correlates. I don't see many I_T_s scoring too high in Interpersonal, etc.
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    I regard intelligence and functions to be two different issues, with little overlap between them. At best, the functions might indicate which types of intelligence a person my feel inclined to develop, or ignore...

    I've heard critisism of the inclusion of naturalist intelligence in the list, as it is more of an interest rather than anything fundamental.

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    I don't necessarily think these intelligences are the result of strength in just one function. Rather a combination, except perhaps the first two, even then I think that could be refutable. You'll note some of those intelligences will often be associated together i.e. musical intellgence and linguistic intellgence, so I believe there would be a great deal of overlap between the functions and a particular skill set.
    A better way of looking at it in terms of MBTI is what intelligences predominate (theoritcally at this point) amongst the groupings of NFP,NFJ, NTP,NTJ, SFP, SFJ,STP and STJ

    NFP; intrapersonal, naturlistic, linguistic, musical
    NFJ; interpersonal, linguistic, musical, ?spatial
    NTP; Naturlistic, linguistic, logical-mathematical, musical
    NTJ; logical-mathematical, ?spatial, naturlistic
    SFP; musical, spatial, kinestic, intrapersonal, linguistic
    SFJ; intrapersonal, kinestic, spatial, Linguistic
    STJ; logical-mathetical, naturalisic, kinestic, spatial
    STP;logical-mathetical, kinestic, spatial

    My catergorisations are by no means well thought out, but hopefully demonstrates my point, that each intellingence is a combination of functions, and your application to MBTI works much better if you view it as such.
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    Wow, I completely forgot about this thread that I started. Anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    I don't necessarily think these intelligences are the result of strength in just one function. Rather a combination, except perhaps the first two, even then I think that could be refutable. You'll note some of those intelligences will often be associated together i.e. musical intellgence and linguistic intellgence, so I believe there would be a great deal of overlap between the functions and a particular skill set.
    I agree. Just like there is overlap between functions and values, in general.

    A better way of looking at it in terms of MBTI is what intelligences predominate (theoritcally at this point) amongst the groupings of NFP,NFJ, NTP,NTJ, SFP, SFJ,STP and STJ
    Well, these 8 forms of intelligence are really nothing more than labels. I'm just pointing out the observation that Gardner's labeling system seems to align well with the functions.

    Outside of just being labels, if these 8 forms of intelligence were neurochemically empirical, rather than just arbitrary categorizations, then hypothetically, if we can find correlations between what intelligences certain types share amongst each other, and then find correlations between what functions certain types share amongst each other, we can hypothesize that the functions and the intelligences go hand-in-hand. The MBTI labels have functional orderings behind them, so correlating intelligence to MBTI type is still a method of theorizing correlations between intelligence and Jungian functions.

    NFP; intrapersonal, naturlistic, linguistic, musical
    NFJ; interpersonal, linguistic, musical, ?spatial
    NTP; Naturlistic, linguistic, logical-mathematical, musical
    NTJ; logical-mathematical, ?spatial, naturlistic
    SFP; musical, spatial, kinestic, intrapersonal, linguistic
    SFJ; intrapersonal, kinestic, spatial, Linguistic
    STJ; logical-mathetical, naturalisic, kinestic, spatial
    STP;logical-mathetical, kinestic, spatial
    According to your labels:

    Intrapersonal is only had by the Fi-ers (FPs).
    Kinestic and spatial is only had by the S's. (Thus your theory implies an association with Se and Si to kinesthetic intelligence).
    Logical-mathematical is only had by the Ts. (Thus your theory implies an association with Te/Ti to logical-mathematical intelligence).

    The rest of your labels seem rather arbitrary, and that's fine. My point is, that by assigning MBTI labels to certain forms of intelligences, you can implicitly be assigning functions with certain forms of intelligence.

    Honestly, I just thought it was rather cool that there are 8 forms of intelligence according to Gardner as well as 8 Jungian functions. It's kind of a coincidence, but there is a certain area of notable overlap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I regard intelligence and functions to be two different issues, with little overlap between them. At best, the functions might indicate which types of intelligence a person my feel inclined to develop, or ignore...
    I agree that intelligence and functions, in general, are not rigidly linked. However, "little overlap" is a bit of an understatement. There are notable trends between what kinds of intelligences and interests certain types develop. That doesn't mean that only one type/function can result in a particular skill, but again, the trends do exist.


    I've heard critisism of the inclusion of naturalist intelligence in the list, as it is more of an interest rather than anything fundamental.
    I've heard this same criticism, and I've also seen a 9th form added to the list, called "Existential" intelligence (and it's basically the verbatim summary for Ni).

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Intrapersonal is only had by the Fi-ers (FPs).
    Kinestic and spatial is only had by the S's. (Thus your theory implies an association with Se and Si to kinesthetic intelligence).
    Logical-mathematical is only had by the Ts. (Thus your theory implies an association with Te/Ti to logical-mathematical intelligence).

    The rest of your labels seem rather arbitrary, and that's fine. My point is, that by assigning MBTI labels to certain forms of intelligences, you can implicitly be assigning functions with certain forms of intelligence.

    Honestly, I just thought it was rather cool that there are 8 forms of intelligence according to Gardner as well as 8 Jungian functions. It's kind of a coincidence, but there is a certain area of notable overlap.
    I never said it was well thought out, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    NFP; intrapersonal, naturlistic, linguistic, musical
    NFJ; interpersonal, linguistic, musical, ?spatial
    NTP; Naturlistic, linguistic, logical-mathematical, musical
    NTJ; logical-mathematical, ?spatial, naturlistic
    SFP; musical, spatial, kinestic, intrapersonal, linguistic
    SFJ; intrapersonal, kinestic, spatial, Linguistic
    STJ; logical-mathetical, naturalisic, kinestic, spatial
    STP;logical-mathetical, kinestic, spatial
    I can't speak for other NFPs, but those [intrapersonal, naturalistic, linguistic/verbal, and musical] are the ones I usually score the highest on.

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    great... I tend to get kinesthetic, interpersonal, naturalist

    my ISFJ mom tends to score naturalist, musical, interpersonal... which would really mess things up!
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